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Wessler rips the Braves

Chico said:
Wily, back to the T. Why was it called on Geno and was it the right call? Need your input to put the argument to rest.
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Chico, was he covered by the rule? Yes he probably was because Geno was way out of the box and questioning the official who made the foul call on Walt. The problem was two fold ,the official he was questioning did not call the T, An official who wasn't close to the conversation made the call. He was so far away he couldn't have heard what was being said and at their level I would have been p--sed if someone would make that call from another part of the floor to T him up when I was discussing the situation with a coach . If Geno would have been out of line the official he was talking to should have T'ed Geno up but didn't. The other problem with what took place was the official time out came when the ball became dead and coaches don't have to stay in there box . If either official would have said it was what Geno said then I would agree it was merited but to say he was out of the box ,when it was an official time out is pretty weak. Hope that helps.
 
wily coyote said:
Chico, was he covered by the rule? Yes he probably was because Geno was way out of the box and questioning the official who made the foul call on Walt. The problem was two fold ,the official he was questioning did not call the T, An official who wasn't close to the conversation made the call. He was so far away he couldn't have heard what was being said and at their level I would have been p--sed if someone would make that call from another part of the floor to T him up when I was discussing the situation with a coach . If Geno would have been out of line the official he was talking to should have T'ed Geno up but didn't. The other problem with what took place was the official time out came when the ball became dead and coaches don't have to stay in there box . If either official would have said it was what Geno said then I would agree it was merited but to say he was out of the box ,when it was an official time out is pretty weak. Hope that helps.
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Thanks Wily.
 
JMM28 said:
...What games were you watching.

BU was never within shouting distance of Florida. ....
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well, the game I watched - we lead for most of the entire 1st half - Florida didn't take their first lead at 19-18 until 6 min to go in the 1st half..
Then they put a run on us and went up 17 but BU battled back to within single digits...

The game wasn't out of reach until the final 10 minutes...I was proud of our guys -

Against Michigan State - we were in position to win the game right 'til near the end...we lost by five...
 
SMH -- so that somehow proves we weren't hanging tough with Florida cuz they led 5-4???
I meant to say didn't take their lead for good 'til well into the first half - so regardless of how picky you wanna be with minutia -
the point stands that BU was NOT being blown out in that game 'til well after that point

and my overall point remains totally unchallenged that we have suffered far more 30 pt blowouts and halves of games where we got blown out by 15-to more than 25 pts...
in just the past season and a half than we did in the prior decade and more...if that ain't fallout then obviously the deniers must enjoy getting pummelled.
 
tornado said:
SMH -- so that somehow proves we weren't hanging tough with Florida cuz they led 5-4???
I meant to say didn't take their lead for good 'til well into the first half - so regardless of how picky you wanna be with minutia -
the point stands that BU was NOT being blown out in that game 'til well after that point

and my overall point remains totally unchallenged that we have suffered far more 30 pt blowouts and halves of games where we got blown out by 15-to more than 25 pts...
in just the past season and a half than we did in the prior decade and more...if that ain't fallout then obviously the deniers must enjoy getting pummelled.
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What's to challenge? It's indeed a fact that the team has suffered more 30 point loses in the last two seasons. That is indisputable. However, what you make of it, and/or what it really means is up for debate.
 
OK, I am glad you agree -- maybe it doesn't mean much to some, but some say there are no more blowouts now than ever -- that's not true.
 
tornado said:
SMH -- so that somehow proves we weren't hanging tough with Florida cuz they led 5-4???
I meant to say didn't take their lead for good 'til well into the first half - so regardless of how picky you wanna be with minutia -
the point stands that BU was NOT being blown out in that game 'til well after that point
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Just don't embellish things to try and prove your points. In this case, you didn't need to do this, as the facts do show that for a good amount of the game, florida and bradley were somewhat close.
I still don't know where you got this part:

tornado said:
Florida didn't take their first lead at 19-18 until 6 min to go in the 1st half..
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For someone who links everything, I am surprised you didn't go back and look at the boxscore, which clearly shows Florida took the lead for good with 10 minutes to go in the first half.

And it's not really being picky with minutia when Florida had the lead with 16:34 to go, and you claimed it to be 6 minutes to go. 10 minutes of game time you embellished to try and prove your point.....SMH to that. :)
 
what are you talking about? I got it from the play by play -- why do you doubt this..you have a weird obsession of trying to find even the tiniest little thing in any of my tens of thousands of posts to dispute but you are wrong here..

here's the play by play
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=283210057

WITH JUST ABOUT 6 MINUTES TO GO IN THE 1ST HALF A DODIE DUNSON 3-BALL WAS IN THE AIR AND IT WENT IN AND WOULD HAVE PUT BRADLEY AHEAD 21-19...BUT..

on the play Taylor Brown was called for a foul - the basket was wiped out and the Florida player put the Gators up 20-18 -- they never again relinquished the lead but..
up 'til that point Bradley had led most all of the game and was up 18-16 when Walter Hodge nailed a 3-pointer with a little over 6 min to go.
If we hung with one of the NATION'S top teams for most of the half then I feel I am justified in saying so - and you are entitled to join JMM and think otherwise

If this account by ESPN is wrong then so is my memory but I doubt it I think it is your memory that is faulty, sorry

BTW - I wish I could return the favor but I don't obsessively read all your posts and even if I find an error in them - I don't make it a point to police your opinions
 
And the game was OVER for all practical purposes with 5 minutes to go in the 1st half. The Gators went on a 19-0 run in less than 2 minutes. We lost by 35 at Duke, and I don't remember us ever being in that game, but you said we hung with them too. The Michigan game this season was far more competitive than either the Florida or Duke games.
 
we rallied to within 9 later - so I disagree and I stand by my statements despite there being those who might disagree
 
at the end of the day it's wins and losses....no asterisks for by how much either way....so if we have more wins but some of the losses are by 30 plus points doesn't make any difference....
 
JMM28 said:
Hung with Florida? Duke? What games were you watching.

BU was never within shouting distance of Florida. Down 17 at half. 23 at regulation.

Duke was an absolute drubbing. What was that? 35 points? I recall hanging with them, if, by hanging with them, you mean going up 2-0 and never leading again.

Ill give you 1 out of 3 Michigan State games. But I also remember hanging with #3 Michigan just 2 months ago.
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The Duke game a couple years ago could be compared to the Wichita St. game we played just a few weeks ago.
We were down by single-digits with minutes left in the 1st half in both games. Then they destroyed us in both games. Neither would I consider we "hung" with them...more like, they were "toying" with us for 15 minutes before yanking on the strings and making us cry "UNCLE!"

At least you should mention that we "hung" with Wichita St. (blowout) and Creighton this year, similar to how we did with Duke and Florida.

And the Michigan St. game is about the same plane as the Michigan game this year. Need I bring up losing to Michigan St. by 30+ in our NIT season?

I think that's why you've got a target on your back - because your views are taken as a Geno-jabber and a Les-lover. If this is not your true feeling, don't just harp on what's happened badly the past 2 seasons under Geno.
 
lefty said:
at the end of the day it's wins and losses....no asterisks for by how much either way....so if we have more wins but some of the losses are by 30 plus points doesn't make any difference....
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I've never quite understood that thinking and I actually disagree that it's just wins and losses. If we're beating teams we're "supposed to" beat by a few points and losing to other teams by 30, then there's a problem.

Before this gets copied and pasted onto another board, I'm not saying this is what's happening. I'm saying it's not just wins and losses, but improvement. A string of 30-point losses are NOT the same as a string of 1-point losses. Obviously, each one counts as a single loss, but they are not the same.
 
Tulsa Brave said:
And the game was OVER for all practical purposes with 5 minutes to go in the 1st half. The Gators went on a 19-0 run in less than 2 minutes. We lost by 35 at Duke, and I don't remember us ever being in that game, but you said we hung with them too. The Michigan game this season was far more competitive than either the Florida or Duke games.
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Actually just to clarify, we did hang with Duke pretty much all of the FH. But I don't see much difference between that game and what we experienced this year in Wichita.
 
shaunguth said:
I've never quite understood that thinking and I actually disagree that it's just wins and losses. If we're beating teams we're "supposed to" beat by a few points and losing by other teams by 30, then there's a problem.

Before this gets copied and pasted onto another board, I'm not saying this is what's happening. I'm saying it's not just wins and losses, but improvement. A string of 30-point losses are NOT the same as a string of 1-point losses. Obviously, each one counts as a single loss, but they are not the same.
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But it comes down to wins....would you rather 20-10 with 7 losses over 30 or 15-15 and all your losses by less than 10 points....

I've never seen a coach's career record at 200-100....this includes 20 30 pt losses

Now if you two identical records I agree on what you say...but the only thing that actually counts is the record not the margin
 
shaunguth said:
I've never quite understood that thinking and I actually disagree that it's just wins and losses. If we're beating teams we're "supposed to" beat by a few points and losing to other teams by 30, then there's a problem.

Before this gets copied and pasted onto another board, I'm not saying this is what's happening. I'm saying it's not just wins and losses, but improvement. A string of 30-point losses are NOT the same as a string of 1-point losses. Obviously, each one counts as a single loss, but they are not the same.
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I agree shaun. It doesn't matter if it's Year 2 or Year 5 - a 30-point loss is kind of demoralizing, but it's not something to get too worked up over. BUT throw in another one, and another one, and that's an indicator that things aren't improving and there are multiple weaknesses on the team. Fortunately we've rebounded well from both blowouts, so we shouldn't generalize this team as the one that continued to get blown out. Not only the rebounding wins, but our closer road losses give us hope that we CAN be competitive and are close to turning the corner.

I'm going into tonight hoping we don't get thrashed by 30+ and keep it within 10 or so, which means we are pretty competitive for most of the game. If we come out victorious, awesome! I know it's hard to take moral victories, but in a rebuilding year, I've got to accept it and focus more on the areas of improvement.
 
lefty said:
But it comes down to wins....would you rather 20-10 with 7 losses over 30 or 15-15 and all your losses by less than 10 points....
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So the 20-10 team that wins 14 games by less than 4 points, but loses 7 games by 30+ is better than the 15-15 team that wins 10 games by double-digits and loses close games? I'd say the 2nd scenario shows more improvement.

I guess Jank had it right, if it's just about winning games. Let's schedule cupcakes every year and hopefully we win a lot of games.
 
LittleBrave said:
I'm going into tonight hoping we don't get thrashed by 30+ and keep it within 10 or so, which means we are pretty competitive for most of the game. If we come out victorious, awesome! I know it's hard to take moral victories, but in a rebuilding year, I've got to accept it and focus more on the areas of improvement.
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Same here. I'd say a 1-point loss tonight will be better than another 30-point loss. There are people that see them as the same though.
 
shaunguth said:
So the 20-10 team that wins 14 games by less than 4 points, but loses 7 games by 30+ is better than the 15-15 team that wins 10 games by double-digits and loses close games? I'd say the 2nd scenario shows more improvement.

I guess Jank had it right, if it's just about winning games. Let's schedule cupcakes every year and hopefully we win a lot of games.
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That's not what I mean at all...obviously I wasn't clear......schedules being equal...heck...take the conference schedule....I would rather be 12-6 with 3 of the losses over 30 points than 10-8 and all losses under 10...

The 12-6 is what counts....I didn't mean schedule all cupcakes to have a great record and then lose by 30 points to better teams.
 
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