Wade Knapp and Charlie Coley

[ChevEE]

Comparison of players who have not only had a cup of coffee in the NBA but who
have actually played in more than 50 games in the NBA or are still active and playing.

Charlotte-- Only two such players:
Cedric Maxwell, 1978-1988, 835 games, 10,465 points
Rodney White, 2002-2005, 218 games, 1540 points

Bradley-- fifteen such players:
Mitchell J.J. Anderson, 1983-1985, 157 games, 751 points
Barney Cable, 1959-1964, 362 games, 2372 points
Danny Granger, 2006-2007, 160 games, 1729 points, still presently playing
Hersey Hawkins, 1989-2001, 983 games, 14,468 points
Steve Kuberski, 1970-1978, 568 games, 3114 points
Jim Les, 1989-1995, 321 games, 1210 points
Shellie McMillon, 1959-1962, 263 games, 2397 points
Patrick O'Bryant, 2007-2007, 16 games, 31 points, still presently playing
Anthony Parker, 1998-2007, 129 games, 1034 points, still presently playing
Roger Phegley, 1979-1984, 345 games, 3011 points
Al Smith, 1972-1976, 337 games, 3298 points
Joe Strawder, 1966-1968, 231, games, 1977 points
Levern Tart, 1968-1971, 274 games, 5316 points
David Thirdkill, 1983-1987, 179 games, 510 points
Chet Walker, 1963-1975, 1032 games, 18,831 points

Wow, I had no clue. We really don't hear much about Bradley over here. This isn't a cut at you guys, but I had to look up where you are located. I will certainly grant you numbers of players into pros, but only 2-3 of those are in the last decade. Still better than us, but not a huge advantage by any means. Y'all have had a basketball program a lot longer than us too.

Chevee...hope you don't take that as a slap towards your program. This isn't BU vs UNCC.....good luck,,thanks for visiting and congrats on winning the CC sweepstakes.

Sorry, didn't mean to make it look like a pissing match there. I wish y'all well in search for remaining spots.

 

[tornado]

ChevEE, you have no fear that anything you've said has been at all offensive, as we are fully used to the likes of Kansas fans,
and even a few ISU fans, and you are welcome here any time.

 

[laughing]

As I have said numerous times, we cannot fret over kids who do not want to play here.
I have great admiration for the coaching staff and the players themselves such as Sam Maniscalco, Anthony Thompson, Will Egolf, Cole-Scott, etc...who want to come to BU, and who have committed and NEVER wavered.
This is the kind of player who will benefit us far more than additional Jeremy Fears-type players.

Bradley has at least 15 of its ex-players still playing basketball professionally at various levels.
Three are presently in the NBA -- two of them on teams in the playoffs, two more presently playing world-wide with the Globetrotters, and a total of over 20 in our history have been NBA players, many for long and excellent careers.
Even quite a few of our ex-players and coaches have also coached at the highest levels (D-I and NBA).

Charlotte does have a nice history, but..........
They only have a few of their ex-players in pro ball at any level, they have NONE of their ex-guys in the NBA, and only eight of their ex-players have ever played in the NBA, and only two have ever stayed in the NBA for more than a year.
The only one most people have ever heard of was Cedric Maxwell, who retired almost twenty years ago.

Only time will tell, but I think Coley judged poorly.

NCAA Appearances in the past 10 years:
Charlotte: 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005
Bradley: 2006

http://www.midmajority.com/schools/BRAD vs.
http://www.midmajority.com/schools/CHAR
Remember that Bradley is an older university than Charlotte.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carver_Arena vs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_F._Halton_Arena
Except Halton Arena is on Charlotte's campus.

Compare the overall history of the Atlantic 10 and the MVC.

 

[tornado]

OK...touche....
but you conveniently didn't go back to 1996 when BU did go to the NCAA,
and part of why Charlotte goes more often is the fairly weak conference where a team that's 23-8 and 13-3 in conference doesn't even get an NCA bid.

 

[BradleyBrave]

Compare the overall history of the Atlantic 10 and the MVC.

I would invite you to do the same, and you'll realize that the A-10 doesn't compare to the MVC in tradition, history, or the greatness of players produced.

 

[tornado]

And the Valley has a book called "A Century of Sports"...
what do you guys have to match that?
...and did anyone tell you guys that St. Louis is very unhappy with being in the A10 and is looking to get out?

 

[Da Coach]

I also doubt Charlie Coley is concerned with any of that history. He is more likely concerned with which team will make the NCAA the next 2 years. I'd be willing to bet that Bradley has a better chance than Charlotte. I would also be willing to bet the MVC finishes with a much better RPI again than the A10 next year.

 

[laughing]

OK...touche....
but you conveniently didn't go back to 1996 when BU did go to the NCAA,
and part of why Charlotte goes more often is the fairly weak conference where a team that's 23-8 and 13-3 in conference doesn't even get an NCA bid.

I would invite you to do the same, and you'll realize that the A-10 doesn't compare to the MVC in tradition, history, or the greatness of players produced.

I'm going to assume you're calling the MVC a weak conference and it is the reason you can't get bids, since Charlotte was in C-USA with Louisville, Cincinatti, etc. for most of the past 10 years. ...Then you're going to say the MVC is better. Pick one or the other, you can't have both.

I also doubt Charlie Coley is concerned with any of that history. He is more likely concerned with which team will make the NCAA the next 2 years. I'd be willing to bet that Bradley has a better chance than Charlotte. I would also be willing to bet the MVC finishes with a much better RPI again than the A10 next year.

Charlotte has shown it has a much better ability to consistently get to the NCAA than Bradley has recently. In 2003, we had the same record we had this year, and the next year we had a 20+ win season and went to the NCAA. Bradley makes it once per decade, and you've already had your one for this decade.

 

[georgethedog]

OK...touche....
but you conveniently didn't go back to 1996 when BU did go to the NCAA,
and part of why Charlotte goes more often is the fairly weak conference where a team that's 23-8 and 13-3 in conference doesn't even get an NCA bid.

I would invite you to do the same, and you'll realize that the A-10 doesn't compare to the MVC in tradition, history, or the greatness of players produced.

I'm going to assume you're calling the MVC a weak conference and it is the reason you can't get bids, since Charlotte was in C-USA with Louisville, Cincinatti, etc. for most of the past 10 years. ...Then you're going to say the MVC is better. Pick one or the other, you can't have both.

I also doubt Charlie Coley is concerned with any of that history. He is more likely concerned with which team will make the NCAA the next 2 years. I'd be willing to bet that Bradley has a better chance than Charlotte. I would also be willing to bet the MVC finishes with a much better RPI again than the A10 next year.

Charlotte has shown it has a much better ability to consistently get to the NCAA than Bradley has recently. In 2003, we had the same record we had this year, and the next year we had a 20+ win season and went to the NCAA. Bradley makes it once per decade, and you've already had your one for this decade.

What year did you make the sweet sixteen? I forgot... :wink:

 

[laughing]

OK...touche....
but you conveniently didn't go back to 1996 when BU did go to the NCAA,
and part of why Charlotte goes more often is the fairly weak conference where a team that's 23-8 and 13-3 in conference doesn't even get an NCA bid.

I would invite you to do the same, and you'll realize that the A-10 doesn't compare to the MVC in tradition, history, or the greatness of players produced.

I'm going to assume you're calling the MVC a weak conference and it is the reason you can't get bids, since Charlotte was in C-USA with Louisville, Cincinatti, etc. for most of the past 10 years. ...Then you're going to say the MVC is better. Pick one or the other, you can't have both.

I also doubt Charlie Coley is concerned with any of that history. He is more likely concerned with which team will make the NCAA the next 2 years. I'd be willing to bet that Bradley has a better chance than Charlotte. I would also be willing to bet the MVC finishes with a much better RPI again than the A10 next year.

Charlotte has shown it has a much better ability to consistently get to the NCAA than Bradley has recently. In 2003, we had the same record we had this year, and the next year we had a 20+ win season and went to the NCAA. Bradley makes it once per decade, and you've already had your one for this decade.

What year did you make the sweet sixteen? I forgot... :wink:

Would you rather have consistency or a lucky Cinderella year? :wink:

 

[georgethedog]

OK...touche....
but you conveniently didn't go back to 1996 when BU did go to the NCAA,
and part of why Charlotte goes more often is the fairly weak conference where a team that's 23-8 and 13-3 in conference doesn't even get an NCA bid.

I would invite you to do the same, and you'll realize that the A-10 doesn't compare to the MVC in tradition, history, or the greatness of players produced.

I'm going to assume you're calling the MVC a weak conference and it is the reason you can't get bids, since Charlotte was in C-USA with Louisville, Cincinatti, etc. for most of the past 10 years. ...Then you're going to say the MVC is better. Pick one or the other, you can't have both.

I also doubt Charlie Coley is concerned with any of that history. He is more likely concerned with which team will make the NCAA the next 2 years. I'd be willing to bet that Bradley has a better chance than Charlotte. I would also be willing to bet the MVC finishes with a much better RPI again than the A10 next year.

Charlotte has shown it has a much better ability to consistently get to the NCAA than Bradley has recently. In 2003, we had the same record we had this year, and the next year we had a 20+ win season and went to the NCAA. Bradley makes it once per decade, and you've already had your one for this decade.

What year did you make the sweet sixteen? I forgot... :wink:

Would you rather have consistency or a lucky Cinderella year? :wink:

You didn't answer my question, why should I answer yours?

 

[georgethedog]

Lucky is making a desperation 3 at the buzzer, not beating Kansas and Pitt wire to wire...

 

[laughing]

You didn't answer my question, why should I answer yours?

I didn't expect you to. Much like yours, it was a CLICK FOR SPOILER.

Lucky is making a desperation 3 at the buzzer, not beating Kansas and Pitt wire to wire...

If your team was so good, why didn't they even make the NCAA the next year or the previous year?

 

[BradleyBrave]

OK...touche....
but you conveniently didn't go back to 1996 when BU did go to the NCAA,
and part of why Charlotte goes more often is the fairly weak conference where a team that's 23-8 and 13-3 in conference doesn't even get an NCA bid.

I would invite you to do the same, and you'll realize that the A-10 doesn't compare to the MVC in tradition, history, or the greatness of players produced.

I'm going to assume you're calling the MVC a weak conference and it is the reason you can't get bids, since Charlotte was in C-USA with Louisville, Cincinatti, etc. for most of the past 10 years. ...Then you're going to say the MVC is better. Pick one or the other, you can't have both.

I also doubt Charlie Coley is concerned with any of that history. He is more likely concerned with which team will make the NCAA the next 2 years. I'd be willing to bet that Bradley has a better chance than Charlotte. I would also be willing to bet the MVC finishes with a much better RPI again than the A10 next year.

Charlotte has shown it has a much better ability to consistently get to the NCAA than Bradley has recently. In 2003, we had the same record we had this year, and the next year we had a 20+ win season and went to the NCAA. Bradley makes it once per decade, and you've already had your one for this decade.

We had Oscar Robertson and Cincinnati, when they were twice the team they ever were in C-USA for starters. We also had Louisville in the MVC when they had Wes Unseld. Should I go on?

 

[tornado]

Charlotte:NCAA appearances 11, record 7-12, NCAA wins in the past 5 years-none, NIT record 4-5 in 5 NIT appearances.

Bradley: NCAA appearances 8, record 11-8, NCAA wins in the past 5 years-two, NIT record 26-18 (four TITLES) 21 NIT appearances.

I would hesitate to call either school dominant over the other,
based on tradition or records.

But very few would deny the Valley is a distinct notch above the A10 in power and prestige, and there's little evidfence of late that the A10 is keeping pace.

The Valley has had 3 Sweet 16 teams in a little over a year's time, and five this decade.

 

[laughing]

We had Oscar Robertson and Cincinnati, when they were twice the team they ever were in C-USA for starters. We also had Louisville in the MVC when they had Wes Unseld. Should I go on?

I wouldn't want you to look any more silly than you do now, so no.

Speaking of Oscar Robertson, he turns 70 next year! Someone should get him a cake.

 

[georgethedog]

You didn't answer my question, why should I answer yours?

I didn't expect you to. Much like yours, it was a CLICK FOR SPOILER.

Lucky is making a desperation 3 at the buzzer, not beating Kansas and Pitt wire to wire...

If your team was so good, why didn't they even make the NCAA the next year or the previous year?

I do not wish to continue this conversation. Your simpleton responses were quite predictable and you amuse me no longer.

 

[Braves4Life]

Who is UNCC?

Who is UNCC?

Wow! This "laughing" guy is a real card :lol:

Let me give you some insight into how my state, North Carolina, feels about UNCC. Nobody in this state (outside of the UNCC students and unemployed alumni) know anything about UNCC or give a d@mn! To us, UNCC does not even exist! 90% of Carolinians couldn't tell you their school nickname or name one player on their team! In fact, I would compare how we think of UNCC to how Illinois natives think of UI-Chicago, Eastern Illinois, Northern Illinois and the like. You see, "laughing boy", no one in NC even knows your school or team exists. Your UNCC diploma is almost as worthless as your team in Tar Heel eyes.

I run a business and I would always put a UNCC grad behind the likes of Carolina, State, Duke, Wake, App. State, Davidson, Campbell, UNC-W, and several others. I view your school as a glorified community college for the blue collar kids that can not get into any of the above mentioned schools; a place where a kid goes to buy time from growing up and joining the real world!

You see, in Illinois (and particular in Peoria) Bradley, U of I, and SIU basketball is King! Illinois fans can appreciate a good education and good basketball. I doubt that over 10% of your student population would even be admitted into Bradley -- one of the most prestigious liberal arts universities in the midwest!

Your posts here just reaffirm what I thought when I visited your little NinerNation site -- many of your fans are rude and uneducated! You've proven me right by visiting and showing your @ss on our board. Now go home!!!!


(Oh, and to respond to your little dig at how many times UNCC has made the NCAA Tourney versus Bradley in the last 10 years. Who cares! Nobody in NC even knows this! In Peoria, Bradley has been and always will be King. You see, our players put on a good competitive show AND GRADUATE!!!! They can read, write and communicate with class and dignity. I'll take this anyday over a team and school that nobody knows about and, more importantly, NOBODY CARES ABOUT :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea

 

[laughing]

You didn't answer my question, why should I answer yours?

I didn't expect you to. Much like yours, it was a CLICK FOR SPOILER.

Lucky is making a desperation 3 at the buzzer, not beating Kansas and Pitt wire to wire...

If your team was so good, why didn't they even make the NCAA the next year or the previous year?

I do not wish to continue this conversation. Your simpleton responses were quite predictable and you amuse me no longer.

:roll:
Is logic not a big subject at Bradley, or do you just turn it off when discussing your basketball team? Here's some more stats:

Over the past 10 yrs (AVG):
RPI
Charlotte: 60
Bradley: 116

Win Percentage
Char: .6024
Bradley: .5364

 

[Da Coach]

People are welcome to post opposing viewpoints, but flaming (everyone knows what it is) and insulting posts won't be tolerated.