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houstontxbrave

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JL made this statement in the PJstar article.

Les said the game's opening minutes dictated the tone of the contest.

'We let 'em get into an offensive rhythm right off the bat,' he said. 'You let a good team who's playing well get into that type of rhythm before we decided to guard, they had a pretty good flow going.

My question, is if he can tell, as I believe everyone else watching could, that we let them get into a rythum and we were not intense, why didnt he call a timeout to try and establish a little intensity or stop the offensive rythum of Butler?
 
houstontxbrave said:
JL made this statement in the PJstar article.

Les said the game's opening minutes dictated the tone of the contest.

'We let 'em get into an offensive rhythm right off the bat,' he said. 'You let a good team who's playing well get into that type of rhythm before we decided to guard, they had a pretty good flow going.

My question, is if he can tell, as I believe everyone else watching could, that we let them get into a rythum and we were not intense, why didnt he call a timeout to try and establish a little intensity or stop the offensive rythum of Butler?
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Saying this after the game is one thing...

The previous coach did that a lot...


Actually noticing this DURING said game and doing something about it is another...


Their coach did it...we obviously did not...
 
With a veteran team, maybe you let them play through it. With a young team, I think you need to be more 'hands on' as a coach. By all accounts, we have a young/inexperienced team. So far through 8 games, I think it's been shown that the 'hands on' approach is necessary. I doubt an early TO changes the outcome, but I do think it prevents us from digging a 20-6 hole in the first 5 minutes of the game.
 
BradleyBrave said:
With a veteran team, maybe you let them play through it. With a young team, I think you need to be more 'hands on' as a coach. By all accounts, we have a young/inexperienced team. So far through 8 games, I think it's been shown that the 'hands on' approach is necessary. I doubt an early TO changes the outcome, but I do think it prevents us from digging a 20-6 hole in the first 5 minutes of the game.
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I don't want to harp on this, but its so hard to explain how there are so many excuses by the announcers and staff for us having such a young team yet Butler starts 3 Freshman and a Soph. and they are playing so extremely well as a unit...


And yes, I agree that maybe a timeout should have been taken, for nothing else than to explain that someone needed to close out on the shooters and get some intensity and motivation into the players that seemed to be lacking...

1 player had 17 points by halftime...I would figure that would be discussed until someone was blue in the face...
 
I said in the chat room when it went to 7-2 and I think they were heading to the line JL needed a time out. We looked lost and had turned it over 2 times on 3 possessions.

Instead he never took a time out and we got buried quick.
 
We also got within 5 and the crowd was into it and this team could not dig in a little deeper to bridge that gap. 5 quick points later the other way JL called a TO and you could see his frustration on his face. This team has the talent but they need to find the instinct to either put away teams or get back into the game completely. I thought JL put the team in a position to do that but there was not a player that could just take over when we needed it. I believe we will have those guys in the future but that type of bridge building comes from upper class men which beside TW we really do not have an offensive weapon.
 
SFP said:
We also got within 5 and the crowd was into it and this team could not dig in a little deeper to bridge that gap. 5 quick points later the other way JL called a TO and you could see his frustration on his face. This team has the talent but they need to find the instinct to either put away teams or get back into the game completely. I thought JL put the team in a position to do that but there was not a player that could just take over when we needed it. I believe we will have those guys in the future but that type of bridge building comes from upper class men which beside TW we really do not have an offensive weapon.
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My only concern at that point...we got it down to 5 and then he promptly substituted again, thus breaking our momentum...

It makes the effort that McCain, Brown, and Singh put forth in that time span to get it down to 5 seem much less...


For whatever reason he consistently seems to do this...


He did it 3 or 4 times last night alone...
 
SaintLouBrave22 said:
My only concern at that point...we got it down to 5 and then he promptly substituted again, thus breaking our momentum...

It makes the effort that McCain, Brown, and Singh put forth in that time span to get it down to 5 seem much less...


For whatever reason he consistently seems to do this...


He did it 3 or 4 times last night alone...
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I noticed this too and didn't like it. However, I think sometime Les sends the sub to the scorer's table to check in just before our team suddenly goes on a run. Then it happens unexpectedly and the sub has to come in; I'm sure he'd like to reverse that decision but he can't.

I guess that's the risk when you have an athletic team that goes on sporadic runs.
 
anyone else notice that when ever we got close or went on a run, Butlers coach called a time out and took away the crowd before we could have any effect. It was like everyone was trying to be loud and stand up but some well placed time outs by the bad guys hushed us up a bit. Time outs can be useful and I think Butler took advantage of them last night.


just my 2 cents worth....
 
Long-Hair's Lunatics said:
anyone else notice that when ever we got close or went on a run, Butlers coach called a time out and took away the crowd before we could have any effect. It was like everyone was trying to be loud and stand up but some well placed time outs by the bad guys hushed us up a bit. Time outs can be useful and I think Butler took advantage of them last night.
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I did notice but the crowd needs to then step it up after the TO. Sometimes I question our fans overall basketball IQ. Here in SF at the baseball games there are a core group of hardcore fans but the majority are there for the event and as we call them the wine and cheese crowd. I hate taking my GF because she fits right in with that crowd and wants to leave by the 7th inning.

SaintLouBrave22 said:
My only concern at that point...we got it down to 5 and then he promptly substituted again, thus breaking our momentum...

It makes the effort that McCain, Brown, and Singh put forth in that time span to get it down to 5 seem much less...


For whatever reason he consistently seems to do this...


He did it 3 or 4 times last night alone...
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I noticed he took TW out for TB right after he jammed that put back with his left hand. I though right there that TW was going to take us on his back.
 
SFP said:
I noticed he took TW out for TB right after he jammed that put back with his left hand. I though right there that TW was going to take us on his back.
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Yes. But, unfortunately, Les already had TB at the scorer's table ready to come in before that dunk. I'm sure if he could have pulled TB back to the bench he would have.
 
Braves4Life said:
Yes. But, unfortunately, Les already had TB at the scorer's table ready to come in before that dunk. I'm sure if he could have pulled TB back to the bench he would have.
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Right after that dunk before he came out TW couldn't execute a simple entry pass into the post. I don't know that it was a big deal TW came out then
 
The way they took the crowd out of the game was not because of Butler's coaching.

The way they took the crowd out is that every single time Bradley made a run, Butler would hit a big shot. This probably happened 5-10 times where there was a glimmer of hope but then Jukes, Hahn, Hayward or Mack slipped in another dagger.

The Bulldogs had the most effective way of shutting a crowd up - hit shots.

I didn't see a team that was vastly better coached, I saw a team with better players.
 
BUBraves2006 said:
The way they took the crowd out of the game was not because of Butler's coaching.

The way they took the crowd out is that every single time Bradley made a run, Butler would hit a big shot. This probably happened 5-10 times where there was a glimmer of hope but then Jukes, Hahn, Hayward or Mack slipped in another dagger.

The Bulldogs had the most effective way of shutting a crowd up - hit shots.

I didn't see a team that was vastly better coached, I saw a team with better players.
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They were better coached. They ran an offense. They didn't make fundamental defensive mistakes. They hustled. They may have had better players, but they were also better players who were better coached last night.
 
SFP said:
I did notice but the crowd needs to then step it up after the TO. Sometimes I question our fans overall basketball IQ. Here in SF at the baseball games there are a core group of hardcore fans but the majority are there for the event and as we call them the wine and cheese crowd. I hate taking my GF because she fits right in with that crowd and wants to leave by the 7th inning.



I noticed he took TW out for TB right after he jammed that put back with his left hand. I though right there that TW was going to take us on his back.
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I don't question our great fans IQ. I question the timng of our yearly stupid promotions. I've been harping on this for years. When we are on a run and the other team calls time out and our fans are going wild the band should strike up the fight song right then instead of when the game is out of reach, like it did last night. That was a very pretty young lady smiling last night, you had to be there, but that goofy promotion did nothing but silence the crowd.
 
BradleyBrave said:
They were better coached. They ran an offense. They didn't make fundamental defensive mistakes. They hustled. They may have had better players, but they were also better players who were better coached last night.
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And the sad part...


The only real bad shot was a moving 3-pt FG from about 24 ft. by #3 really early in the shot clock, he chucked it up and it went in...

I believe we were down by 5 or 6 at that point before the shot
 
Chico said:
I don't question our great fans IQ. I question the timng of our yearly stupid promotions. I've been harping on this for years. When we are on a run and the other team calls time out and our fans are going wild the band should strike up the fight song right then instead of when the game is out of reach, like it did last night. That was a very pretty young lady smiling last night, you had to be there, but that goofy promotion did nothing but silence the crowd.
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I hope this doesn't get taken the wrong way bc its not about players or coaches, but most of the promotions these days really s*ck!(and pardon that word if its deemed offensive)

What happened to the NBA mascots, the Budweiser Dare Devils...stuff like that?


Along w/ that, the officials timeouts need to be about getting all the fans involved...


By all means, use the cheerleaders, the band...anything you can think of...


I know its about who gives the most money for marketing tools, but its just plain terrible to sit through sometimes...


Between the Maple Shade piece and the BWW piece where they seem to always pick the worst shooter out of the Student Section to win everyone wings....things just need to be fixed to add crowd involvement and make coming to Carver something the opposing team dreads from when they get up in the morning on gameday til they leave the arena after the game.


Winning would help too ;-)
 
SaintLouBrave22 said:
I hope this doesn't get taken the wrong way bc its not about players or coaches, but most of the promotions these days really s*ck!(and pardon that word if its deemed offensive)

What happened to the NBA mascots, the Budweiser Dare Devils...stuff like that?


Along w/ that, the officials timeouts need to be about getting all the fans involved...


By all means, use the cheerleaders, the band...anything you can think of...


I know its about who gives the most money for marketing tools, but its just plain terrible to sit through sometimes...


Between the Maple Shade piece and the BWW piece where they seem to always pick the worst shooter out of the Student Section to win everyone wings....things just need to be fixed to add crowd involvement and make coming to Carver something the opposing team dreads from when they get up in the morning on gameday til they leave the arena after the game.


Winning would help too ;-)
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If BU needs the $$ that bad the program is in bad shape. The only thing the opposing teams need to dread now is getting hit by a twirling hula hoop in front of their bench. Who dreams these goofy things up? The most common quote in our section is "boy, that will get the crowd in the game." Play the fight song every time the opposing team has to call a time out. The crowd is already on their feet and that always keeps or gets them up.
 
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