How you you figure that? There was already a change of possession, so at most it cost 2 points.
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since when do you get a technical foul for yelling at your player to get up ?
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How you you figure that? There was already a change of possession, so at most it cost 2 points.
houstontxbrave
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I have been watching Valley basketball for a very long time and in that time there have been some bigtime badly officated games.
Last night was, atleast for me, the worst I have ever seen.
The charge call that got Jank the T was a joke, the T on Les a joke, the foul on DD at the end of the OT was terrible etc etc etc.
It was almost like the 3 just simply could not allow a posession to go by without blowing a whistle. In game contact, ie a bump 15 ft from the rim on a drive, with a players head down results in a whistle. Egolf gets a foul when we finally get a stop in OT trying to rebound.
Your going to call incredibly tick tack stuff yet Warren gets his arm held on the last OT possession and that all ball? It makes watching Valley basketball impossible. The league has to stop playing games on Wednesdays. They have to go to a Friday/Sunday, period.
The guy with the baldhead was simply over his head.
Anyway, Egolf has to be a lot smarter, he gets the ball in the frontcourt and tries to score when we didnt need points, Warren gives up the ball so DD can get fouled. No one can guard Hill.
This was a horrible basketball game for so many reasons but the worst reason was we did nothing in the last 1:30 to win this game.
BTW the T on Jank then gave Egolf a foul for what setting up to accept an interior pass? You make a terrible charge call after the play from the side looking through players. Get railed by Jank, who comes out of the box, goes on the court etc, then you call a flat out made up call on a guy who has position on the block.
Just horrible for so many reasons.
Last night was, atleast for me, the worst I have ever seen.
The charge call that got Jank the T was a joke, the T on Les a joke, the foul on DD at the end of the OT was terrible etc etc etc.
It was almost like the 3 just simply could not allow a posession to go by without blowing a whistle. In game contact, ie a bump 15 ft from the rim on a drive, with a players head down results in a whistle. Egolf gets a foul when we finally get a stop in OT trying to rebound.
Your going to call incredibly tick tack stuff yet Warren gets his arm held on the last OT possession and that all ball? It makes watching Valley basketball impossible. The league has to stop playing games on Wednesdays. They have to go to a Friday/Sunday, period.
The guy with the baldhead was simply over his head.
Anyway, Egolf has to be a lot smarter, he gets the ball in the frontcourt and tries to score when we didnt need points, Warren gives up the ball so DD can get fouled. No one can guard Hill.
This was a horrible basketball game for so many reasons but the worst reason was we did nothing in the last 1:30 to win this game.
BTW the T on Jank then gave Egolf a foul for what setting up to accept an interior pass? You make a terrible charge call after the play from the side looking through players. Get railed by Jank, who comes out of the box, goes on the court etc, then you call a flat out made up call on a guy who has position on the block.
Just horrible for so many reasons.
While I can agree with you on some coaching decisions and which player should or should not be on the floor at any given time, I have to disagree with you assessments regarding JL's technical foul. "Who yells at a guy trying to make a play anyways when you're up 8 with barely a minute to play"?
My answer would be 100% of the coaches in Division 1 or any level of coaching for that matter, who sees a player that needs to get to the other end of the floor to be in a position to make a play and a player who is letting a bad play get into his head with a momentary lapse in judgement.
SaintLouBrave22
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I completely disagree here...
Most coaches wait til practice or pull him aside the next time down...
Not many good ones are yelling at one of their guys up 8 with a minute to go when realization is, so what if they go down there 5 on 4 and make a shot...we're then up 6 with less than a minute to go and they have to foul....
Reality is, we didn't do a single thing right from the 4 minute mark and you can blame that on players, coaches, what have you, but we have made an absolute art out of losing games in every which way possible....
And at this point, I really don't think it matters much how the last 8 play out as we've cemented ourselves into Thursday night in STL and a short trip down and back.
tornado
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correction ..bottom of not only all D-I but all NCAA basketball regardless of division...
mrcoachdude
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I could have swore they made a basket after the T....making it a 4 point swing...would they have made a basket anyway? Don't know...but it changed momentum for sure...
yeah...we having a good laugh when the 3 came over to the scorer's table and checking the replays and all every couple of minutes at the end of the game....there were 2 to many to get any call right
Yeah, but they already had the ball.
So your using the argument that ISU wouldn't have scored except the tech gave them the momentum to score???
ISU had the ball already so all they gained was the 2 ft's.
mrcoachdude
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I am not sure what your argueing about...ISU had the ball...JL got T'd and ISU made both FT's...then they have the ball awarded to them by rule...and make a basket...that is a 4 point swing...up 8 to up 4...in a period of a few seconds...that is all i said...
the can't be a 4pt swing coach..there is no possession change on a technical...ISU could have scored anyway on their possesion without the T and it's a 6 pt game...
SaintLouBrave22
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Yeah and it wouldve been a 6 pt game with maybe a minute to play...
Instead it was 4 and all it took was 2 missed FT's to make it a one possession game instead of the 4 it could have taken otherwise...
What point are you trying to make exactly?
Either way it was a 4 point swing with only about 9 seconds taken off the clock after the two FT's and the uncontested layup
mrcoachdude
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"Anthony Cousin sank the resulting free throws to pull Illinois State within 61-55. Cousin added a layup seven seconds later to complete a four-point possession and get the Redbirds within four, 61-57."
this was in the BU report
After Dunson missed two FT's (OUCH)...Then Wilkings hit a three to make it 61-60...quite the momentum shift...
good grief coach ISU had the ball anyway...the ft's were an additional 2 points...that's all. ISU could have scored anyway on their possession....have you had your coffee yet?
it seems to me it's only a 4 pt swing if you lose a possession....we didn't lose any possession...so I don't see the 4 pt swing.
In the old days if you got a T when you had the ball it was a ft and possession of the ball goes to the other team....then you could have a 5pt "swing" actually losing possession and they score and you lose your opportunity to score when you had it....now it doesn't make any difference who has the ball...possession stays the same..so it actually costs us two ft's and nothing more.
I guess I just see it different than you guys
houstontxbrave
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Just because ISU had the ball you can not assume they would have scored.
So when Les was given the T, it stopped the possession. They shot 2 fts and made the free throws, then retained possession and scored a two point basket.
Hence the game moved in ISU's favor by 4 points.
Even if Les did not get the T and ISU scored with the ball it would be a 2 point swing.
To me moving the score in a direction is a point swing. Regardless of possession of the ball.
So when Les was given the T, it stopped the possession. They shot 2 fts and made the free throws, then retained possession and scored a two point basket.
Hence the game moved in ISU's favor by 4 points.
Even if Les did not get the T and ISU scored with the ball it would be a 2 point swing.
To me moving the score in a direction is a point swing. Regardless of possession of the ball.
TheAsianSensation
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The Carmichael T may have been worse than any of the other calls.
This officiating crew lost control of the game. IMO. No way around it.
This officiating crew lost control of the game. IMO. No way around it.
SaintLouBrave22
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That and what people are not realizing is that the T gave Jank time to draw up a double screen and clear out for Cousin basically giving him a free TO during the T...
So yes, I'll stand by it being a 4 pt swing that became 7 as soon as Dodie clanked the two FT's and Wilkins buried the 3 from the corner.
houstontxbrave
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I really thought he hung on the rim and there was no need to hang on the rim. No one was under him.
Personally all 3 T's were rediculous. Janks was on a bigtime bad call. Les well his was at one of the worst possible times and simply was not directed at anyone other then his own player. Unless Les goes running on the floor or gets in an officials face you dont call a T with 1 minute to go when you know full and well his reaction was not directly at you.
The 3 that called that game really had no business calling a D1 game. Both teams got scr*wed.