Jerance Howard is only 30 years old. He has no x's and o's coaching experience. Don't you think that we can do better than that? Hiring Jerrance Howard would be a mistake of monumental proportions...please ....think about what you are saying...
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Jerance Howard is only 30 years old. He has no x's and o's coaching experience. Don't you think that we can do better than that? Hiring Jerrance Howard would be a mistake of monumental proportions...please ....think about what you are saying...
TylerDurden
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Agreed on Howard.
He could end up as a very good coach, but right now, he isn't ready for an MVC job.
tornado
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Top candidates from big time schools have to be pretty careful where they go....
or else they may "shoot their wad" going to a place that they have a hard time winning then their stock goes way, way down....
Dan Monson & Tubby both came away wealthy but hurt their stock severely going to Minny -- and it's not like they weren't warned...
Even Brian Gregory has seen his tock slip a bit at Dayton -- with incredible recruiting classes and still he can't above the middle of the A-10...
This season when they were pegged to be right up there with Xavier & Temple and got mentions for Top 25 -- they finished only 7-9 in a weak A-10 this season, and Gregory has come under some fire for such poor performance.
Then you gotta recall Billy Gillispie....again -- he came away rich but hurt his stock severely trying to win at Kentucky.
Then there's Jank, Crean, Lickliter at Iowa, Alford at Iowa, Wainwright, etc...
all took a perceived step UP the ladder and hurt or burned their resume trying to build a program but have failed.....
Just sayin'......but a whole lot of hot named guys are looking at Bradley as a very hard place to win....
Even one of the single hottest commodities for a decade, Johnny Dawkins, waited and waited at Duke for the perceived "right opportunity"...
then he has taken Stanford from prominence and 20 wins to mediocrity again....
This year's 15-15 (as well as last year's 14-18 ) and 7-11 in the very weak Pac-10 - have also hurt his resume....
as some relief to those "wounds" he's at least getting big time pay in the millions...
this kind of bad jump if it were to a midmajor where the pay wouldn't soothe the wounds would be career harry karey
or else they may "shoot their wad" going to a place that they have a hard time winning then their stock goes way, way down....
Dan Monson & Tubby both came away wealthy but hurt their stock severely going to Minny -- and it's not like they weren't warned...
Even Brian Gregory has seen his tock slip a bit at Dayton -- with incredible recruiting classes and still he can't above the middle of the A-10...
This season when they were pegged to be right up there with Xavier & Temple and got mentions for Top 25 -- they finished only 7-9 in a weak A-10 this season, and Gregory has come under some fire for such poor performance.
Then you gotta recall Billy Gillispie....again -- he came away rich but hurt his stock severely trying to win at Kentucky.
Then there's Jank, Crean, Lickliter at Iowa, Alford at Iowa, Wainwright, etc...
all took a perceived step UP the ladder and hurt or burned their resume trying to build a program but have failed.....
Just sayin'......but a whole lot of hot named guys are looking at Bradley as a very hard place to win....
Even one of the single hottest commodities for a decade, Johnny Dawkins, waited and waited at Duke for the perceived "right opportunity"...
then he has taken Stanford from prominence and 20 wins to mediocrity again....
This year's 15-15 (as well as last year's 14-18 ) and 7-11 in the very weak Pac-10 - have also hurt his resume....
as some relief to those "wounds" he's at least getting big time pay in the millions...
this kind of bad jump if it were to a midmajor where the pay wouldn't soothe the wounds would be career harry karey
How about the coach that wins the class 4A state title, let that be his reward 
You know it's going to be a Chicago coach or a Chicago Suburban coach, probably from the western suburbs, that wins it all That coach would come in with great recruiting contacts and we start getting good players from Chicago and the CMA like Coach Versace did 
not relevant to thread but here's the 4A bracket:
http://www.ihsa.org/activity/bkb/2010-11/4bracket.htm
You know it's going to be a Chicago coach or a Chicago Suburban coach, probably from the western suburbs, that wins it all That coach would come in with great recruiting contacts and we start getting good players from Chicago and the CMA like Coach Versace did not relevant to thread but here's the 4A bracket:
http://www.ihsa.org/activity/bkb/2010-11/4bracket.htm
TylerDurden
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The most important thing is not to win the press conference introducing the coach -- it's to get the right coach.
Winning games always trumps winning the press conference.
If you can do both, great, but it's not necessary.
I think BU will attraced/already has attracted a lot of good candidates.
I just hope the "process" doesn't bungle the opportunity to land one.
Winning games always trumps winning the press conference.
If you can do both, great, but it's not necessary.
I think BU will attraced/already has attracted a lot of good candidates.
I just hope the "process" doesn't bungle the opportunity to land one.
I have to disagree with this statement, 450 to 500,00 is a lot more then 250 plus most asst"s want a head job, Bradley should be considered way above Toledo and Wis-GB , remember that Gregory interviewed for the BU job the last time and only pulled out because we did not offer enough at that time, no reason why we cannot get one of these guys:
Montgomery
Lusk
Gard
Mueller
Amaker may not be as good a fit as these 4 guys because these 4 have great midwest ties that will be very important in recruiting and they are learning from some of the best coaches in the country.
Braves4Life
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How about the coach that wins the class 4A state title, let that be his reward
not relevant to thread but here's the 4A bracket:
http://www.ihsa.org/activity/bkb/2010-11/4bracket.htm
Good idea in theory Rick. But there are a lot of high school coaches that win simply because of dirty recruiting or outstanding talent (see Wayne McClain while at Manual). Just because these coaches win a state title does not necessarily make them a good coach. Now, if we're talking hiring one as an assistant coach to capitalize on their recruiting........
I think that including Tubby in your statement is a little unfair. Tubby was basically trashed at Kentucky after winning a national championship and I think that he will end up turning Minny around!
Braves4Life
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How about the coach that wins the class 4A state title, let that be his reward
not relevant to thread but here's the 4A bracket:
http://www.ihsa.org/activity/bkb/2010-11/4bracket.htm
Interesting idea, but I doubt many ADs or University presidents would ever consider this.
The number of high school coaches hired at midmajors or above that ever had any success can be counted on one hand.
And knowing JG and MC a bit, I can say with fairly high certainty it ain't gonna happen here.
I expect a quality hire that will be someone few could question. Whether he is successful here will remain to be seen.
TylerDurden
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This is a good point. Hiring coaches is largely a crap shoot. People like to think that it isn't, but it is.
You can have all the data in the world, but it's a relationship business on every level for a coach -- coach-player, coach-AD, coach-fan, coach-media, coach-assistants, coach-donors, coach-officials, coach-recruits, etc.
Add that every institution is different in how it operates and you can see how there are many factors that could make a seemingly ideal candidate not achieve as expected.
SaintLouBrave22
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Good points and also why I don't think people should be throwin Lickliter out there without completely knowing how Bradley and Butler really compare in every facet you listed there
The one thing I am glad about JG team is that they do not conform to that a coach has to have mid-west ties. Would I add it as a positive, yes but it would not be one of the major factors I would consider. I would take charismatic leadership and the ability to sell over mid-west ties any day. Huggins landed a pretty good recruiting class when he went to K-State, Calipari did a pretty good job recruiting at Memphis and I would have to believe neither one had ties to their neighborhood but are great salesmen (some would say snake oil salesmen) like it or not. I can name countless coaches with mid-west ties who could not recruit period. This is 2011 and with today's communication a coach should be able to recruit wherever he needs to. Think small be small.
SaintLouBrave22
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Ok uh comparing Huggins and Coach Cal to whatever we end up with will be apples to oranges IMO, plus it's beneficial to recruit the area as the better players from the area all seem to be heading to Big Ten and other Valley schools...
Also, do you really think you're gonna take good game changing players from CA, VA, NY, NC, TX, FL?
No you're not, and if we bring someone in and they can't recruit Chicago, STL, Indy, etc they will fall on their face!
Also, do you really think you're gonna take good game changing players from CA, VA, NY, NC, TX, FL?
No you're not, and if we bring someone in and they can't recruit Chicago, STL, Indy, etc they will fall on their face!
I agree that the head coach does not need to have ties to the area at all. I think the head coach is the one who closes the deal, but I think in many cases its an assistant who gets the programs foot in the door, so to speak, with most of the recruits. I do agree with you too SLB, in that it will be important to recruit the StL, Chi, and Indy metros areas too.
Please, tell me where I have ever, ever posted I think BU should hire Jerrance Howard!
I merely posted information that responds to the thought of Howard being hired and bringing Illini recruits with him. I pointed out that the only one who could come, without a release, is Devin Langford.
Don't know if it's in this thread or another one but I've said BE CAREFUL OF HIRING ANYONE WITH TIES TO WWW.
Reading comprehension!
SaintLouBrave22
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Btw, just for that matter, pull up Purdue's roster...have a look at where their players are from...should tell you all you need to know about how I feel about recruiting the Midwest
You are bringing up big time BCS programs with coaches that do not graduate players, those coaches can get players from anywhere, we all have seen how well BU getting players from all over has worked out which is why we are in the boat that we are in, Versace was successful because he knew that you needed to recruit the best players from your area and got Chicago, St.Louis and a few local players, there are so many good players in a 250 mile radius to choose from and when you build a great program with these players you may be able to go outside of it after you win some championships, Illinois, Indiana and Missouri have plenty of talent to choose from.