Just the facts.....No opinions

[dogsrus]

These are the facts. Good post BNC. The S16 was a fluke. It seems like there are just a handfull of posters that can't say anything negative about JL for whatever reason.

And I ask SO WHAT....why should you or I care IF someone chooses NOT to say anything negative about BU, Les..the economy....the Packers (wait we NEED to dis the Packers).

I keep saying to live in your OWN world when it comes to BU. Discuss your feelings...debate with those that see otherwise but respect individual thoughts about BU/Les/Players/ scheduling etc.

And WHY was the sweet 16 a fluke? If YOU think so fine but I saw the games and we earned each victory.

 

[Da Coach]

We do agree on this. People can have their own opinions, but why do some who are anti-Jim Les continue to attack those who don't agree with them, and minimize or ignore the successes JL has had?

 

[BradleyJD]

And I ask SO WHAT....why should you or I care IF someone chooses NOT to say anything negative about BU, Les..the economy....the Packers (wait we NEED to dis the Packers).

I keep saying to live in your OWN world when it comes to BU. Discuss your feelings...debate with those that see otherwise but respect individual thoughts about BU/Les/Players/ scheduling etc.

And WHY was the sweet 16 a fluke? If YOU think so fine but I saw the games and we earned each victory.

Don't hate the Packers...come on man! 8)

Agreed....we BEAT those teams in the NCAA. I was there, as many on this board were. We were the better team both days.

On that same line of thought....we have since earned our record as well. In the past few years we have not been the better team much.

 

[dogsrus]

We do agree on this. People can have their own opinions, but why do some who are anti-Jim Les continue to attack those who don't agree with them, and minimize or ignore the successes JL has had?

To be fair the knife cuts BOTH ways.....

 

[dogsrus]

Don't hate the Packers...come on man! 8)

Agreed....we BEAT those teams in the NCAA. I was there, as many on this board were. We were the better team both days.

On that same line of thought....we have since earned our record as well. In the past few years we have not been the better team much.

I agree....except the Packers part JD.

HOPE the Bears can do THIER part so we can experience one of the most signficant BEARS/ packers games of all times.

 

[Big Mike]

Bears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mrgreen:

 

[BRADLEY FAN 49]

Please excuse any errors...

Conference record
Versace 81-49
Albeck 41-31
Molinari 110-88
Les 70-80

Home record
Versace 90-17
Albeck 49-20
Molinari 117-36
Les 100-38

Away record
Versace 47-46
Albeck 22-42
Molinari 43-93
Les 32-81

Post Season Record
Versace 6-3
Albeck 0-1
Molinari 4-6
Les 10-5

Record vs. ISU
Versace 8-7
Albeck 7-4
Molinari 10-13
Les 10-7

MVC Tourney Record
Versace 6-6
Albeck 3-3
Molinari 11-10
Les 5-8

Average MVC finish
Versace ??“ 3
Albeck ??“ 4.8
Molinari ??“ 4.4
Les ??“ 5.2

Record with an NBA player
Versace (JJ) 67-29
Versace (Hawk) 49-16
Albeck (Hawk) 43-17
Molinari (AP) 82-39
Les (POB) 35-26

Record Without an NBA Player
Versace 31-26
Albeck 32-54
Molinari 92-113
Les 113-105

Facts about this post.
Versace had J.J. 4 years.
Versace had the Hawk 3 years.
Albeck had the Hawk for 1 year when he was at his best.
Molinari had A.P. for 4 years.
Jim had P.O.B. only 2 years.

NOT FACT ONLY MY OPINION ....
J.L. RECORD WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH BETTER WITH 2 MORE YEARS OF P.O.B.

 

[Buesch N Chips]

These are the facts. Good post BNC. The S16 was a fluke. It seems like there are just a handfull of posters that can't say anything negative about JL for whatever reason.

I personally did not research or post those stats to make a point either way. I just thought it would be interesting.

And I agree that people really shouldn't care about other fans' views, although I wish there was a place where optimism reigned. PJS is almost entirely negative, and this place is sometimes overrun by the same. Not saying Les is the man for the job, or that he isn't, but while he is there I will support and not take shots.

That's why I liked the premise of this thread. Providing facts without trying to convert people to your side or mock the program. For some, apparently, that is impossible.

 

[squirrelgotdead]

Facts about this post.
Versace had J.J. 4 years.
Versace had the Hawk 3 years.
Albeck had the Hawk for 1 year when he was at his best.
Molinari had A.P. for 4 years.
Jim had P.O.B. only 2 years.

Mo actually only had AP for like 3.5 years, and had Granger for 1.
Les also had Granger for 10 months.

 

[lefty]

Mo actually only had AP for like 3.5 years, and had Granger for 1.
Les also had Granger for 10 months.

Who cares who had who for how many years? Each coach has so many total scholarships to use. you never know who is going to stay for all 4 years, who transfers, and/or who gets injured.....stuff happens and you have to deal with it.

I'm not saying any of these coaches are better than the other. I'm just saying to look at who had who for how long doesn't mean you put an asterik next to their record

 

[dogsrus]

Facts about this post.
Versace had J.J. 4 years.
Versace had the Hawk 3 years.
Albeck had the Hawk for 1 year when he was at his best.
Molinari had A.P. for 4 years.
Jim had P.O.B. only 2 years.

NOT FACT ONLY MY OPINION ....
J.L. RECORD WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH BETTER WITH 2 MORE YEARS OF P.O.B.

Yes the JL story....."IF ONLY".

 

[fansince55]

We do agree on this. People can have their own opinions, but why do some who are anti-Jim Les continue to attack those who don't agree with them, and minimize or ignore the successes JL has had?

I was not anti-JL a few years ago. He has given me the last 3 years to develop that opinion. I am for Bradley Basketball. JL IMO does not represent BB. And give me a break about minimizing or attacking JL's successes. You can count them on 2 games that BU won when he happened to be the coach. What successes has he had since?

 

[Buesch N Chips]

What successes has he had since?

Well, he has won a game in the MVC tourney in 07, 09, 10. he did reach the finals of the CBI and the CIT. He won a game in the NIT. He beat Illinois. He beat #18 UNI last year. There are times where his teams play at a very high level, the problem has been sustaining that. Last year on January 16 their season was collapsing after being slaughtered. They lost a close one at UNI after that then rattled off three straight wins, and with the exception of the two ISU games, played well the rest of the season. There are things you can call successes, if you choose to look for them.

 

[shaunguth]

Well, he has won a game in the MVC tourney in 07, 09, 10. he did reach the finals of the CBI and the CIT. He won a game in the NIT. He beat Illinois. He beat #18 UNI last year. There are times where his teams play at a very high level, the problem has been sustaining that. Last year on January 16 their season was collapsing after being slaughtered. They lost a close one at UNI after that then rattled off three straight wins, and with the exception of the two ISU games, played well the rest of the season. There are things you can call successes, if you choose to look for them.

He also stopped the mighty undefeated redbirds a couple years ago.

 

[SaintLouBrave22]

Yeah, you know, after 8 years, you would figure all the injuries and what not, he'd be more prepared and recruit to withstand such an issue...

But NOPE, just more excuses about buying in, not being ready, blah blah blah blah...

I'm sorry but most of us are sick of it at this point!

And the whole people trying to convert people...yeah, you can only be converted to another side if you believe in the other points...and in reality, cmon...half the stuff that retractors have posted is deleted simply because they are retractors, which leads to supporters responding in whichever way they see fit...

I mean it is what it is at this point, but this us vs them attitude is getting really old and stale!

We should all be supporting a common goal (winning) and right now that's the furthest from the truth given the posts I have seen.

 

[Beninator]

He also stopped the mighty undefeated redbirds a couple years ago.

Hopefully we can stop the what looks to be the winless in the MVC Redbirds this year!8)

 

[Braves4Life]

I'm sorry but most of us are sick of it at this point!

Amen! It would never happen but I'd love to see an official survey done of the season ticket holders and the mighty BSS members to see what their thoughts would be to a coaching change. I'd be willing to bet that over 50% would accept change if BU made the committment to attract a quality coach.

 

[Beninator]

Amen! It would never happen but I'd love to see an official survey done of the season ticket holders and the mighty BSS members to see what their thoughts would be to a coaching change. I'd be willing to bet that over 50% would accept change if BU made the committment to attract a quality coach.

+1

 

[mrcoachdude]

the....us vs them...was really pleasant in the chat room last night...there were about 6 to 8 of us in there after the game and we had a good discussion on things..appreciated the chance to chat...very civil from both sides...and some good thoughts...

 

[Buesch N Chips]

if BU made the committment to attract a quality coach.

How do you quantify that statement? What would constitute a commitment? What is a quality coach? I mean it sounds good and all, but can you be more specific?

I root for Bradley. I don't root for Jim Les or against Jim Les. I just prefer fair discourse. Statements like "after awhile you cannot use injuries as an excuse" make absolutely no sense, and are unfair. Rose-colored glasses are not totally objective, but poop-colored ones are worse.