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"Overheard: West Virginia basketball coach Bob Huggins has a novel idea for expanding the NCAA basketball tournament. "We should do what football did," he told us. "We need to make criteria as to what a Division One school is. In terms of support both from the school and from the fan base just like football. ??¦ Then you can have a Division 1A playoff and a Division 1 AA playoff.""

source: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/ct-spt-0407-around-town--20110406,0,7778031.column

With two mid-majors crashing the final four, depriving the big schools of their revenue, I'm actually surprised I haven't heard more talk of this.

yes, this is just one man's suggestion, not a legitimate proposal, but I don't much care for it.
 
"Overheard: West Virginia basketball coach Bob Huggins has a novel idea for expanding the NCAA basketball tournament....
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This is certainly not a "novel" idea.

For many years, the NCAA had a "college" division, and had a separate playoff for them. Evansville and Missouri State were "college division" powers several decades ago. Then the NCAA reshuffled into Division I, II, and III, which we still have today. The idea of sorting out Division I into 2 or more subdivisions is just plain silly.
It is just another display of the animosity and greed of the BCS type mentality. They absolutely do not want to share even a dime of the big NCAA tournament money with the non-BCS types.
 
The problem is that Division 1 is getting so big. 345 schools, and almost another dozen are lining up to try and move up in the next few years.

I honestly do think a split will happen, and should happen, at some point. The only question is where the split occurs. You can't break off say, the top 80 programs, from the rest of D-1. You need to find a way to break off the bottom 100 or so instead. Only problem being that every single one of those bottom 100 programs is going to try and claw their way above the breakline.
 
BuAlum03 said:
"Overheard: West Virginia basketball coach Bob Huggins has a novel idea for expanding the NCAA basketball tournament. "We should do what football did," he told us. "We need to make criteria as to what a Division One school is. In terms of support both from the school and from the fan base just like football. … Then you can have a Division 1A playoff and a Division 1 AA playoff.""

source: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/ct-spt-0407-around-town--20110406,0,7778031.column

With two mid-majors crashing the final four, depriving the big schools of their revenue, I'm actually surprised I haven't heard more talk of this.

yes, this is just one man's suggestion, not a legitimate proposal, but I don't much care for it.
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this kind of talk started as far back as the 1950's and it was steeped in racism....
..it was very unfair then and even if it's not so racist now, it is unfair and it's the same "big boys" ruling class that's trying to shut out anyone of their own dislike...
No black player ever played in the ACC until 1965 (Billy Jones - Maryland). Is this amazing or what!
Two years later Charlie Scott was the first Black to get a scholarship to North Carolina.
And here's what's even more amazing - the first black player in the Southeastern Conference (SEC) did not play until 1967 (Perry Wallace - Vanderbilt).

Back in the 1950's.......as many of the nationally prominent teams and powerful basketball schools like Kentucky, Kansas, Stanford, and Big Ten teams were white and they were furious over the fact that smaller schools like CCNY, Bradley, San Francisco, Loyola, Texas Western (UTEP) and Cincinnati had the audacity to incorporate Black players onto their roster...then on top of that to have the audacity to whip the butts of the all top white squads like Kentucky, Kansas, Cal, and Ohio State..

That was when the big boys got together and started this idea of two different divisions......
by the late 1950's all of college basketball was divided into the "College Division" (Small College) and the "University Division" (Major College)...as most of the "smaller" colleges were way ahead of the major schools in racial integration and incorporating Black Americans onto their teams.

Sadly -- some of the greatest Black players plied their trades in near obscurity at small colleges that were essentially excluded from any chance of playing at the national level and no big school would ever schedule them!

Here are just a few examples......

-Coach John Wooden while at Indiana State in 1947 had a Black kid named Clarence Walker but while Walker played, Indiana State Teachers College (as they were known then) was even banned from some tournaments that didn't allow Blacks...and at thet time the Big Ten had in place a "Gentleman's agreement that barred Black players".
Indiana State remained a "small college" and wasn't D-I until decades later..

-talented NBA-caliber Black players such as Earl Lloyd (West Virginia State), Nat Clifton (Xavier of Louisiana), Sam Jones (North Carolina Central), Earl "The Pearl" Monroe (Winston-Salem State), Willis Reed (Grambling), Zelmo Beatty (Prairie View A&M), and many, many others never got a look from big colleges and had to play for their small schools in relative obscurity...

Hopefully sopmeone on a national level will call out this kind of arrogant and discriminatory thinking by Huggins and others...and say it like it is...
it is UNFAIR and it is wrong to exclude teams who deserve to be there........
 
It is funny that the ability of mid majors to make the final four causes people to think it would be better to exclude them from the process.

You would think that people would take this as a great reason to continue the tournament.
 
I am personally fine with chopping the bottom 100 or so DI basketball schools. BU would still be in the big Division I as far as hoops are concerned IMO.

I'm guessing it's not the last we'll hear of the squawking by the BCS'ers though. I'm surprised Gary Williams and Jim Boeheim haven't said anything yet.
 
BradleyBrave said:
.... I'm surprised Gary Williams and Jim Boeheim haven't said anything yet.
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he's been busy this week...
http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=227171&postcount=1


BTW -- did you see this....
CBSSports' Gregg Doyel has some of the harshest and most negative criticisms that I have ever seen in all the time I have been following sports for over 50 years!!!
and it is all aimed directly at Maryland's Gary Williams.....hmmm...wonder whazzup???
http://baltimoresportsreport.com/do...ams-scared-but-declines-interview-requestions
http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/articles/?p=39801
 
The problem is the power conferences want to chop all but the top 100. The middle wants to chop just the bottom 100. The bottom 100 will do anything and everything to get out of the bottom 100.

By the time a split actually happens (and it will), someone's gonna get pissed.

I have no idea what the solution is, either.
 
I'd be fine with it if they make it like European soccer and there are promotions and relegation between divisions each year. You need to reward programs for moving in the right direction and punish the under performing.

Go 3 tiers with about 120 teams. Top/Bottom 20 of each move up/down each season.
 
tornado said:
he's been busy this week...
http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=227171&postcount=1


BTW -- did you see this....
CBSSports' Gregg Doyel has some of the harshest and most negative criticisms that I have ever seen in all the time I have been following sports for over 50 years!!!
and it is all aimed directly at Maryland's Gary Williams.....hmmm...wonder whazzup???
http://baltimoresportsreport.com/do...ams-scared-but-declines-interview-requestions
http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/articles/?p=39801
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T - The GW stuff is about Debbie Yow. GW has commented that he has not said a word about her to the coaches who denied to interview for the NC State opening. Does this sound familiar? It is a very close knit coaching fraternity.
 
BUBalum05 said:
I'd be fine with it if they make it like European soccer and there are promotions and relegation between divisions each year. You need to reward programs for moving in the right direction and punish the under performing.

Go 3 tiers with about 120 teams. Top/Bottom 20 of each move up/down each season.
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So teams would end up in different divisions than other teams in their conference?
 
Canton BU fan said:
So teams would end up in different divisions than other teams in their conference?
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It would change conference play slightly, you would probably only play your conference foes once and the rest of the time you're playing teams in your division. I haven't worked out all the details because in euro soccer, most of the premier leagues only have about 20 teams so the scheduling isn't as complex.

Its never going to happen, I just like the idea of moving teams up and down based on performance.
 
BUBalum05 said:
It would change conference play slightly, you would probably only play your conference foes once and the rest of the time you're playing teams in your division. I haven't worked out all the details because in euro soccer, most of the premier leagues only have about 20 teams so the scheduling isn't as complex.

Its never going to happen, I just like the idea of moving teams up and down based on performance.
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I've played in softball leagues that do that.
 
Da Coach said:
This is certainly not a "novel" idea.

For many years, the NCAA had a "college" division, and had a separate playoff for them. Evansville and Missouri State were "college division" powers several decades ago. Then the NCAA reshuffled into Division I, II, and III, which we still have today. The idea of sorting out Division I into 2 or more subdivisions is just plain silly.
It is just another display of the animosity and greed of the BCS type mentality. They absolutely do not want to share even a dime of the big NCAA tournament money with the non-BCS types.
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Let's face it. Had we not had two mid-majors "crashing the party" this year, Huggins would not be making this suggestion.
 
TheAsianSensation said:
The problem is that Division 1 is getting so big. 345 schools, and almost another dozen are lining up to try and move up in the next few years.

I honestly do think a split will happen, and should happen, at some point. The only question is where the split occurs. You can't break off say, the top 80 programs, from the rest of D-1. You need to find a way to break off the bottom 100 or so instead. Only problem being that every single one of those bottom 100 programs is going to try and claw their way above the breakline.
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I absolutely agree that there should be a split down the line, but only to purge the 100 or so programs that absolutely have no business being in Division I. Maybe make it an even 200 teams and if one wants to drop down on their own, then their spot could be filled by a strong I-AA team.

But what do we do with teams like Morehead St. or Boston University? In some years they could very well be bottom 100 D-I type teams, but occasionally they have great years like they did this year. It's tough to find that breakline, but I agree that there are certain teams that should be dropped immediately. Teams like Chicago St. and Prairie View A&M come to mind.
 
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