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Flagrant foul!!

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Did anybody else think Rondo's foul on Brad Miller at the end of overtime in game 5 was a flagrant foul?

I thought it was obviously a flagrant foul and it not being called cost the Bulls the game since even if Miller missed a FT (which he did), he could make the second FT then try for win on last shot.

I think Rondo should be suspended one game as well. What a dirty dangerous foul to the face. Fouls to the face are supposed to be flagrant by definition of rule book right? (Miller will need some dentistry work now too which Rondo should pay for ;) )

Oh well, Bulls will still win in 7. Book it now :razz:
 
Agree that it was a flagrant foul. However there have been lots of missed and blown calls in this series so far, and I didn't expect them to call one. I like Brad Miller a lot and thinks he brings leadership as well as a bit of an attitude to a Bulls team that needed one, but as a professional basketball player, you're expected to make your free throws. He had a chance to tie the game and didn't.
 
I agree it was obviously flagrant. Miller had his arm extended and Rondo got nothing but his face. He obviously had no intention of getting the ball. He just wanted to stop Miller from scoring, whatever it took. But at the end of the day you still dont expect to get that call at Boston. I was extremely surprised when that 6th foul was called on Allen, although he is quite a hack.
 
That foul was NOTHING compared to the cr@p that the Bulls had to put up with against the original Bad Boys of Laimbeer, Thomas, Rodman and gang.
 
i just think the whole boston team is so dirty. every screen is illegal. and yes allen is a super hack haha. garnett is dirty too and i ahte garnett. Do you see him on the sidelines every games when they win yelling at the Bulls bench calling them "mother*******" and other profanities. what kind of role model is that and what type of human being is that? i know sports are competitive, but showing no class is pathetic.

and Rondo's foul, some analysts said he went for ball and stuff, but you can clearly see on replay, the ball wasnt even close to where Rondo swiped.
But still Miller should have made FTs, but at same time he most likely would have made second and would have had ball for last shot and chance to win if correct flagrant foul was called. So while it is Millers fault a little bit, also Bulls still would have had life, and with Gordon, probably a win! And yes it was in Boston, but a obvious dirty intentional swipe to a players head needs to be called as a flagrant. at the end of the game, a flagrant foul is still a flagrant foul, and needs to be called to protect players and to discourage players from like one espn analyst said "fouling by any means necessary to make sure he doesnt get a shot". I mean im not saying you cant intentional foul, but a foul to the head is very dangerous and needs to be called. Enough rambling... haha
 
speaking of the the Bulls....does anyone think this is a good look-alike???


..................Bulls' Tyrus Thomas.....and......ex-IU and present UAB head coach Mike Davis
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While Miller was fouled by Rondo and his shot went up, Big Baby hit the rim trying to block the shot, isn't that a goaltend? Shouldn't the shot counted on the goaltend and he goes to the line shooting 1?
 
This has been for the most part a poorly officiated series, especially on Boston. That foul was definitely flagrant by rule. He didn't go for the ball and even caused injury. I guess that if anything was learned its that if Rondo is driving for a game winning layup next game that someone better clocked him to the point that he will miss the free throws because it will only be a two shot foul. RIDICULOUS!!!
 
egib52 said:
This has been for the most part a poorly officiated series, especially on Boston. That foul was definitely flagrant by rule. He didn't go for the ball and even caused injury. I guess that if anything was learned its that if Rondo is driving for a game winning layup next game that someone better clocked him to the point that he will miss the free throws because it will only be a two shot foul. RIDICULOUS!!!
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Thats what the BUlls coach told the official...he was saying ( actually demonstrating by taking his own hand to his mouth) that he hit him in the mouth and the ref tried to say, again by demonstrating, that he was swiping at the ball and missed hitting his mouth. Yeah right.
 
Folks this stuff has been going on for YEARS in the Association. The league has no interest in seeing Chicago in the second round, they need(want) Boston and Cleveland in the Eastern finals. Its all about ratings and $$$.

The same stuff was done to other teams when the Bulls were in the Hayday in the 90's... go ask a Pacers fan if they thought the officials were fair to them. Jordan last shot made in a Bulls uniform was a complete shove off on the Utah player.

But realistically it does not matter, its already Lakers v Cavs in the finals... thats a book it.

Oh and yes Rondo's foul was flagerant, he made no attempt to play anything other then Brad Miller, he made no effort to play the ball. But I am wondering why Brad Miller is doing a finger roll from 4 feet away from the rim...

Oh and the elbow punch by Howard last night in Orlando was slightly less worse then the punch Rudy T took from Kermit Washington.

I bet Rondo gets no suspension and Howard gets one game for a flat out punch. The association is and has always been a complete joke when it comes to officiating games.
 
BUBalum05 said:
While Miller was fouled by Rondo and his shot went up, Big Baby hit the rim trying to block the shot, isn't that a goaltend? Shouldn't the shot counted on the goaltend and he goes to the line shooting 1?
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I thought he hit the rim to, but I don't think the ball hit the backboard or the rim because of the flagrant foul Miller got, so no goaltending call. But give credit, it was a well draw up play that most likely would of ended up a 2 pointer had the foul not accrued (One for the Bradley play books).
Miller sill should of made the free throws as he is a good FT shooter. The second FT shot miss might of worked had it hit the rim:!:
Where's MJ, SP and SK when you need them:lol:
 
houstontxbrave said:
Folks this stuff has been going on for YEARS in the Association. The league has no interest in seeing Chicago in the second round, they need(want) Boston and Cleveland in the Eastern finals. Its all about ratings and $$$.

The same stuff was done to other teams when the Bulls were in the Hayday in the 90's... go ask a Pacers fan if they thought the officials were fair to them. Jordan last shot made in a Bulls uniform was a complete shove off on the Utah player.

But realistically it does not matter, its already Lakers v Cavs in the finals... thats a book it.

Oh and yes Rondo's foul was flagerant, he made no attempt to play anything other then Brad Miller, he made no effort to play the ball. But I am wondering why Brad Miller is doing a finger roll from 4 feet away from the rim...

Oh and the elbow punch by Howard last night in Orlando was slightly less worse then the punch Rudy T took from Kermit Washington.

I bet Rondo gets no suspension and Howard gets one game for a flat out punch. The association is and has always been a complete joke when it comes to officiating games.
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What got me is why they couldn't upgrade it to a flagrant foul after the review. I don't agree that its a league conspiracy like you but its that the refs simply don't want to make a call that will possibly cause a team...the home team no less..to lose. No guts.

To me its about just simply doing the right thing and let the chips fall where they may as far as backlash from fans and the league office ......

Watching that ref tell the Bulls coach he swiped at the ball and basically missed hitting Miller in the mouth accidentally was an insult to the Bulls and any fan watching.
 
Out of Balance said:
I thought he hit the rim to, but I don't think the ball hit the backboard or the rim because of the flagrant foul Miller got, so no goaltending call. But give credit, it was a well draw up play that most likely would of ended up a 2 pointer had the foul not accrued (One for the Bradley play books).
Miller sill should of made the free throws as he is a good FT shooter. The second FT shot miss might of worked had it hit the rim:!:
Where's MJ, SP and SK when you need them:lol:
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Tough to hit a free throw following a right cross though:)...sure he SHOULD have made it...I'm sure he wanted to and tried but look at Gordon and Hinrich the other day...both guys clanged freebies late...it happens.

I agree it was a well drawn up play. I said right before they through the ball in...watch for Gordon/Kirk to be a decoys and some other guy take the shot. I actually thought it would be a Miller 10 footer. But to get that open drive to the hoop was genious.
 
dogsrus said:
Tough to hit a free throw following a right cross though:)...sure he SHOULD have made it...I'm sure he wanted to and tried but look at Gordon and Hinrich the other day...both guys clanged freebies late...it happens.

I agree it was a well drawn up play. I said right before they through the ball in...watch for Gordon/Kirk to be a decoys and some other guy take the shot. I actually thought it would be a Miller 10 footer. But to get that open drive to the hoop was genious.
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The free throws by Miller really should not have been shot by Miller. It was pretty obvious that he was out of it so to speak. But the issue with Miller not shooting is Rivers gets the choice on who shoots the free throws and the Bulls lose Miller for the rest of the game.

It was a very well designed inbounds play but I question was it ran for the right guy on the floor at that time. Meaning if you are going to run a play with that amount of time left run it for someone who has a little athletic ability.. IE TT or Tim Thomas. Miller has very little ability to get to the rim and finish and again he flipped up a finger roll instead of going hard to the rim and dunking it.

And yes I believe the NBA is nothing but the WWF in a basketball uniform. And it has been that way for a very long time.
 
The reality of the situation is that the Bulls wouldn't have needed help from the refs on the Brad Miller call at the end...if they just would sent a second man at Paul Pierce every time he got the ball late in the 4th quarter and in overtime. Once Ray Allen fouled out, it was absolutely mind-boggling to me that Del Negro repeatedly let Paul Pierce operate 1-on-1 against Salmons or Rose. Horrible approach in my opinion...
You've got to make Pierce give that ball up...the Celts had total zeroes offensively like Marbury and Tony Allen on the floor during that OT...whoever is guarding one of those mopes simply had to run at Pierce and make him get rid of the ball...If Rondo, Marbury, T. Allen, or Davis hit a jumpshot to beat you, so be it...but why did Del Negro allow Pierce to get an easy shot off...time after time after time at the end of that game?
Made no sense to me as I was watching the game...makes less sense to me now...
 
houstontxbrave said:
The free throws by Miller really should not have been shot by Miller. It was pretty obvious that he was out of it so to speak. But the issue with Miller not shooting is Rivers gets the choice on who shoots the free throws and the Bulls lose Miller for the rest of the game.

It was a very well designed inbounds play but I question was it ran for the right guy on the floor at that time. Meaning if you are going to run a play with that amount of time left run it for someone who has a little athletic ability.. IE TT or Tim Thomas. Miller has very little ability to get to the rim and finish and again he flipped up a finger roll instead of going hard to the rim and dunking it.
And yes I believe the NBA is nothing but the WWF in a basketball uniform. And it has been that way for a very long time.
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If I remember right, there was only 3.2 on the clock and some of that time was run down out front on the inbound play and the pass to Miller. I think the play was for Miller to take it all the way to the hoop but he threw the finger roll either because he thought time was running out or maybe he seen Rondo and anticipated a foul. There was no time left on the clock after the foul. With the game on the line, Miller dazed/hurt, the right thing maybe would of been to have someone else shoot even if it meant the lost of Miller if the game continued. He's a Boilermaker, tough and should of made them:lol: Maybe he has a career after BB is in the WWF, at lease he has the size and looks for it:roll:
 
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