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Doug Elgin to ISU, etc... "embarrassing"

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Several different interviews with Doug Elgin over the weekend addressed the issue of the Valley teams scheduling so horribly.
you can google and find them easily and one is in the PJS...

The phrases "embarrassing", and "Don't play teams with terrible records", and "NCAA won't reward mediocrity", show up...
and just about everyone notes that ISU and SIU were TWO teams that had non-conference Strengths of Schedule that ranked near the bottom of all of Division I..
330th out of 340 teams....worse than all the NJIT's and California Polytechnics...

it truly is embarrassing, and I have been on this topic for a couple years trying to shine the light on the worst offenders.....namely ISU!!
get your act together and stop hurting the rest of the Valley!
 
ISU has many issues about their "embarrassing" program. More to come about O.E.s FUN weekend (And it's not about playing ball)!
 
Non-conference SoS numbers:

75 Indiana St
147 Bradley
170 Creighton
257 Northern Iowa
259 Drake
267 Missouri St
295 Wichita St
295 Southern Illinois
324 Illinois St
335 Evansville


0 teams in the top 50
1 team in the top 100, which ended up being a non-contender
2 teams in the top 150, which both ended up being non-contenders
3 teams in the top 250, which all ended up being non-contenders
 
While I agree with the general tone of this thread- it is disingenuous to point out ISU alone- and the Commissioner didn't single anyone out.

The Wessler article pointed out the worst offenders in terms of SOS- but regardless of how other teams schedule- all BU has to worry about is 1. How we schedule 2. The results!
 
Braveman said:
The Wessler article pointed out the worst offenders in terms of SOS- but regardless of how other teams schedule- all BU has to worry about is 1. How we schedule 2. The results!
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I don't fully agree here. Being in this conference means we have an interest in how our conferencemates schedule as it will affect our own numbers (and by extension how the selection committee views our results).
 
Braveman said:
While I agree with the general tone of this thread- it is disingenuous to point out ISU alone- and the Commissioner didn't single anyone out.

The Wessler article pointed out the worst offenders in terms of SOS- but regardless of how other teams schedule- all BU has to worry about is 1. How we schedule 2. The results!
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thefish7 said:
I don't fully agree here. Being in this conference means we have an interest in how our conferencemates schedule as it will affect our own numbers (and by extension how the selection committee views our results).
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I agree with the fish. Imagine being a border line NCAA team which we could have and not being picked because of our SOS. Our SOS effects the rest of the schools in our league as well as theirs effects ours. That is how it works. We've made plenty of noise on this subject since last year. I'm not satisfied with our schedule to be honest but compared to everyone else ours looks great. Imagine that?:oops: This is one subject that cannot and should not be taken lightly by the commissioner. I do not feel sorry for WSU. They had the ability to play in the NCAA but their schedule gave them zero chance except by winning yesterday's game of making it.
 
I think we need to concentrate on getting Bradley on track instead of worrying about what the other schools are doing, when BU starts getting into the championship game multiple times then we can worry about some other teams schedule and how it effects us.
 
TheAsianSensation said:
Non-conference SoS numbers:

75 Indiana St
147 Bradley
170 Creighton
257 Northern Iowa
259 Drake
267 Missouri St
295 Wichita St
295 Southern Illinois
324 Illinois St
335 Evansville
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WSU really shot themselves in the foot. They had a 3-1 record against recognized programs: Pitt, Iowa, TCU, and TX Tech.

But then also scheduled a bunch of real dogs like Farleigh dickinson, Alcorn St, Texas Southern, South Carolina Upstate, and more.

WSU didn't need to schedule any more marquee programs but should have scheduled more upper mid-major programs and less bottom tier programs. Losing to Utah St in the bracket buster didn't help either.
 
Wichita State and Illinois State are paying the price for poor scheduling.
The other teams like SIU, Evansville, MSU, and Drake wouldn't have gotten an at-large bid anyway, but their poor scheduling hurt the league.

I agree that each school needs to worry just about themselves, but it doesn't hurt to try to shame the others into trying to schedule a little better.
 
“We’re not going to be a three- or four-bid league again without some risks,” Elgin says.

What exactly are the risks of scheduling better competition? It would appear scheduling up only has possible upside with no downside to me. All the risk is associated with scheduling down ... see Ill St and WSU for live examples. Decent W-L records but no chance at an at-large bid.
 
Braveman said:
While I agree with the general tone of this thread- it is disingenuous to point out ISU alone- and the Commissioner didn't single anyone out.

The Wessler article pointed out the worst offenders in terms of SOS- but regardless of how other teams schedule- all BU has to worry about is 1. How we schedule 2. The results!
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Braveman, how the other Valley teams schedule does affect us:. If they have a low SOS, that will weigh heavily on theirr RPI.
Thus when we play them, win or lose, we will have our RPI affected negatively.
That is why, before The Valley season began, we had a pretty good SOS, but once we started playing in conference it fell all the way to 147.
Actually, depending on the situation, you could lose to an high RPI school and your RPI would still benefit.
 
Da Coach said:
Wichita State and Illinois State are paying the price for poor scheduling.
The other teams like SIU, Evansville, MSU, and Drake wouldn't have gotten an at-large bid anyway, but their poor scheduling hurt the league.

I agree that each school needs to worry just about themselves, but it doesn't hurt to try to shame the others into trying to schedule a little better.
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The Bears were hurt by the Hispanic College Fund tournament they got into 2 years ago and the return BB game which we can't control. Besides that our non-con included Arkansas, Auburn, SLU, Tulsa, Air Force (MWC challenge) and Nevada (BB) which I would take just about any year. Next year we play in the preseason NIT in the Tennessee pod plus play Tulsa, OK State and SLU. Realtime has our SOS at 120.
 
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