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Best Division I basketball coaching jobs in Illinois

can anyone make sense of this comment...and here's the exact quote...

"Illinois State secured by far the most first-place votes with 12,
followed by Bradley and DePaul with three first-place votes each.
Although Bradley received just one first-place vote,
the Peoria school still edged SIU to finish second overall in the survey."

so did Bradley get three "first-place votes" or did they get one "first-place vote"?

actually, the fact that Bradley beat out seven of the other eight state schools (not counting U of I and WIU, CSU, and SIUE clearly got no votes)) is somewhat astounding...and BU also beat out every other private school.

The coaches surveyed...
"included current Division I head coaches and assistant coaches from around the state
and a few out-of-state assistant coaches who are both familiar with the state of Illinois
and have had previous college coaching experience in the state of Illinois."
but I would have to imagine that the guys doing the survey....all clearly Chicago based since they work for the Sun Times, would seem to me to be more likely to choose guys they were aware of, knew, or knew how to reach for the answers.

We'll never know because he obviously wants to protect the anonymity of the respondents.........but
Just the schools included in the survey (13 instate D-I schools) would have had at least 30-40 head and assistant coaches to choose from, and he even mentions some otherswere from out of state schools. So if he only had survey answers from 22 guys, then his answers would be affected by which 22 he had (especially if they were all Chicago-centric), and by what criteria caused only about half the possible coaches from the schools in the survey to leave responses.
The fact that DePaul and SIU were lower than a lot of people might expect, also suggest to me the majority of the coaches surveyed were from mid-major schools or schools nowhere near the southern part of the state.
 
So are you saying since DePaul was lower then expected, they were probably mid-major coahes. But since SIU was lower then expected, they were probably not from the southern part of the state?

If they were Chicago-centric, wouldn't DePaul and and Northwestern have been at the top? I am rather confused by this statement...

So if he only had survey answers from 22 guys, then his answers would be affected by which 22 he had (especially if they were all Chicago-centric), and by what criteria caused only about half the possible coaches from the schools in the survey to leave responses.
The fact that DePaul and SIU were lower than a lot of people might expect, also suggest to me the majority of the coaches surveyed were from mid-major schools or schools nowhere near the southern part of the state.
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You are saying three different things... the way I read it
 
nope..mid-major coaches from the upper half of the state would seem likelier (to me) to pick ISU and BU over DePaul and Northwestern and even SIU.
How else to explain why SIU - one of the strongest, highest paying D-I jobs in the state from where multiple coaches have jumped to TOP Big Ten jobs,
ended up so surprisingly low?
What inconsistency do you see?

Had he chosen to interview only the coaches from Big Ten schools, I suspect Northwestern would have edged out BU
and had he chosen only the coaches from U of I, DePaul, and Northwestern, then both would have probably edged out BU.
So, I choose (whether you can "understand it" or not) to believe most of the respondents were from public universities in and around the Chicago area, that were NOT BCS schools.
 
tornado said:
nope..mid-major coaches from the upper half of the state would seem likelier (to me) to pick ISU and BU over DePaul and Northwestern and even SIU.
How else to explain why SIU - one of the strongest, highest paying D-I jobs in the state from where multiple coaches have jumped to TOP Big Ten jobs,
ended up so surprisingly low?
What inconsistency do you see?

Had he chosen to interview only the coaches from Big Ten schools, I suspect Northwestern would have edged out BU
and had he chosen only the coaches from U of I, DePaul, and Northwestern, then both would have probably edged out BU.
So, I choose (whether you can "understand it" or not) to believe most of the respondents were from public universities in and around the Chicago area, that were NOT BCS schools.
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I agree that there is probably some inconsistencies since the poll is not scientific... I just wonder why there always has to be a reason for the way the poll results showed.

Some coaches may have chosed SIU over DePaul and NW because of its recent successes, but chosed ISU and BU over SIU becauase of the facilities, location and the recruiting advantages of both schools (as stated in some of the comments and quotes). DePaul is nose-diving and many do not see an end in site and NW has never made it the the NCAA tourney...

We will never know who was polled so it is fairly irrelevant... we just have to take it for what it's worth... it is still an interesting read IMO
 
it would be almost impossible for him to have gotten 22 responders that weren't predominately from around Chicago and predominately mid-major people since that's who most of the possible candidates for this interview are.

Northwestern and DePaul simple are such bad situations right now that I think a given coach might just want to avoid working there. Same can be said about Chicago State and EIU.
 
tornado said:
can anyone make sense of this comment...and here's the exact quote...

"Illinois State secured by far the most first-place votes with 12,
followed by Bradley and DePaul with three first-place votes each.
Although Bradley received just one first-place vote,
the Peoria school still edged SIU to finish second overall in the survey."

so did Bradley get three "first-place votes" or did they get one "first-place vote"?
The text is impossible to reconcile as it clearly says two completely and mutually exclusing things.
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Bradley received 1 first-place vote, but finished 2nd in the rankings. DePaul received 3 first-place votes and finished 3rd in the rankings.

I had to read it a couple times, but I'm pretty sure that's what it says.

EDIT: nevermind. My interpretation only works if you remove the word "each." So you are right...that is poorly written.
 
Yes it is clearly a typo- meaning to say SIU and DePaul receiving 3 first place votes and BU got 1, while still finishing 2nd in the poll...
 
The Northwestern job is better now than it has ever been. They have decent talent on campus and are recruiting pretty well. On the court, I think they are the second best team in the state this coming year.

depaul, on the other hand, is just really bad.
 
combes said:
The Northwestern job is better now than it has ever been. They have decent talent on campus and are recruiting pretty well. On the court, I think they are the second best team in the state this coming year.

depaul, on the other hand, is just really bad.
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I for one would love to find out just how good Northwestern would be if they would play BU, ISU or SIU. But since I doubt they will venture anywhere near any of those 3 I suppose the idea they are the 2nd best team in the state has to be nothing but pure speculation.
 
Northwestern is a fantastic school, no argument here but when it comes to sports and a rabid fan base they are out classed by the schools ahead of them IMO. The chances of their program consistently maintaining themselves in the top 50% of the Big Ten in basketball is dubious. To say it is a one of the best coaching jobs in Illinois would be stretch unless you're calculations in the equation counts academics and school environment very high. I do believe that the individuals that a coach is able to attract, not necessarily the talent, does have merit to the quality of the job a coach has. That is one reason I believe the BU job outclasses the Illinois State job!
 
houstontxbrave said:
I for one would love to find out just how good Northwestern would be if they would play BU, ISU or SIU. But since I doubt they will venture anywhere near any of those 3 I suppose the idea they are the 2nd best team in the state has to be nothing but pure speculation.
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Well, Butler plays them and I believe Combes is correct. I actually wouldn't even be surprised if they turned out better than Illinois this year, as well.
 
Indy_BB said:
Well, Butler plays them and I believe Combes is correct. I actually wouldn't even be surprised if they turned out better than Illinois this year, as well.
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When Butler moves to Illinois and becomes part of this conversation then maybe we can then discuss Northwestern and their program/job being the 2nd best in Illinois. And I am not sure how Combes can be correct when the season has not started, he is simply speculating, but again Ill say this I would LOVE for Northwestern to play one of the schools from Illinois(BU, ISU or SIU) and we then see if you and Combes are correct.

Until then they are still Northwestern and they still have NEVER played 1 single second of NCAA tournament basketball competition.
 
Predicting that Northwestern will be good and get an at large bid to the NCAA is like predicting the Mississippi River will flow backwards and the Cubs will win the World Series this year.


btw-- this may cause some to amend their predictions...shades of Andrew Warren's injury??
"Northwestern's hopes of earning its first NCAA tournament bid in school history
may have suffered a blow last week when sophomore center Kyle Rowley fractured
his left foot during a basketball clinic in Chicago. The injury leaves his status for the
start of the season uncertain. Rowley made 28 starts and averaged 3.6 points
and 1.8 rebounds last season."
 
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