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[shaunguth]

The best example I can give is that this season 5 teams tied for 3rd place in the MVC. But one of those teams, Drake, got the 7th seed. But they did not finish 7th. Drake finished tied for third. It is the tiebreaker system that makes the seeds different from the place the teams finish.

Thank you! I didn't realize this was so hard to understand.

Now.....someone please go tell this Drake team they did not finish tied for 3rd, but they in fact finished 7th! I wonder what there response will be. :roll:

 

[shaunguth]

But the play of DSE and JP have a lot to be desired and I don't think the coaching change had much to do with that - they just had really rough seasons and maybe degressed, which probably cost the Braves a few wins. I thought they'd step up and lead, but they really haven't.

Aren't these two of the guys that Geno recruited? I keep hearing how good Geno's players are going to be and I do believe JC will be a good player. I have not been impressed with SS and don't even know what to say about DH. Hopefully, the two players that are signed to play next year are good players at this level.

 

[lefty]

Aren't these two of the guys that Geno recruited? I keep hearing how good Geno's players are going to be and I do believe JC will be a good player. I have not been impressed with SS and don't even know what to say about DH. Hopefully, the two players that are signed to play next year are good players at this level.

I'm not making excuses for Geno and recruiting but as you all know it's always somewhat of a crapshoot....and it takes some time to see how it will all work together. Much of the time you are recruiting guys for 2-3 years....

 

[Bravesfan]

With all the talk about finishes and record, we should point out that you might want to throw out this year - for everybody. Only 2 teams finished with winning records. Only 2 teams finished with losing records. .500 could get you either the 3 seed or Thursday. 7 teams out of 10 can claim a top 3 finish this year.

(by the way, could you imagine how the "fire Les" crowd would've reacted if Les was here and went 8-10 or worse in a year when 7 teams claimed a top-3 finish? :lol: or the excuses we would've heard if he did go 9-9 and had a top-3 finish but was forced to play on Thursday? Could you just imagine those arguments? :lol: )

I was thinking the same thing! If Les stuck around this year and we finished 9-9 and tied for third, or even in third alone, there would be quite a lot of spin from the same people who thought that would be a good enough finish to keep him around longer.

That's why the 11-7 team from 2006 that tied for 5th was a much better accomplishment than finishing 9-9 and third this year would have been.

 

[Old Coach]

Thank you! I didn't realize this was so hard to understand.

Now.....someone please go tell this Drake team they did not finish tied for 3rd, but they in fact finished 7th! I wonder what there response will be. :roll:

Let's be honest, unless you finish first (which guarantees the NIT bid), what place you finish in is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is your seed, and Drake parlayed their third place tie into a Thursday night play-in game as the 7 seed.

 

[wily coyote]

Let's be honest, unless you finish first (which guarantees the NIT bid), what place you finish in is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is your seed, and Drake parlayed their third place tie into a Thursday night play-in game as the 7 seed.

That's exactly what I've been trying to say but we seem to be the only two that understand what the seeds mean. Yes we tied for 9th last year but played in the 10 seed. Doesn't matter a whole lot except to a couple people.

 

[TheAsianSensation]

By that same token, is there really a difference between a semifinal and a quarterfinal loss in the tournament if you're not going to the NCAAs? We always cite what place you finish in when evaluating coaches but I don't see semifinal and final appearances cited nearly as often.

In conclusion, both matter, maybe not equally, but close enough to equally.

 

[Old Coach]

By that same token, is there really a difference between a semifinal and a quarterfinal loss in the tournament if you're not going to the NCAAs? We always cite what place you finish in when evaluating coaches but I don't see semifinal and final appearances cited nearly as often.

In conclusion, both matter, maybe not equally, but close enough to equally.

I can agree with that. Ultimately, what matters more than where you finish or where you're seeded, is whether, as a program, you're moving closer to or further from winning championships.