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srw said:
Once again, this is Bradley, not ISU. We can speak in complete sentences.
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"We have no idea really on any of these guys do we?"

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BRADLEY FAN 49 said:
JH is not the answer.
Just because he is a great recruiter at the U of I, means absolutely nothing at B.U.
Who ever we get had better be a great teacher,coach, and recruiter.
The two guys I like are Graves and Lusk.
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Couldn't the same be said for other aspects of coaching with other candidates? Couldn't a defense be made that its easier to coach and teach blue chip recruits because of their intangibles like basketball i.q. and athletic ability? How can you say that Graves and Lusk will be great teachers, coaches and recruiters?
 
afan said:
You can't win based on recruiting talants alone. JH has zero on-court experience. He is not ready! Why do you want him to fail? There is absolutely no chance that Bradley will hire JH...and, they shouldn't. Take another look after he has some experience. Please...........enough already..
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Finally someone that has some knowledge, how do you fire someone because they believed he could not coach and then you want to hire someone that can recruit for Illinois but who knows about his coaching, makes no sense.
 
real fan said:
Finally someone that has some knowledge, how do you fire someone because they believed he could not coach and then you want to hire someone that can recruit for Illinois but who knows about his coaching, makes no sense.
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Well, in all fairness, we don't really know if any of these assistants can coach...


That said, I just like the pedigree and learning on the job that Graves, Lusk, and Muller have had to do for their positions...

Plus if I pluck Muller or Graves out, it's recognizable that they havent had the recruiting budgets that IL or Purdue have or the name recognition up until recently.

Furthermore, the 3 I mentioned come from a great background with well put in place systems that are more about recruiting to the system than who you recruit, thus I feel like any of the 3 would be a great choice.


That said, I am hearing Jeter's name quite a bit this morning
 
Because JL was an average recruiter, "average" teacher, but a poor motivator. How many times did we hear Jim himself say "they aren't buying in"?.... All the time, which means he could not motivate them to listen. If you get a better recruiter with perhaps equal teaching skills who can actually motivate the better players to listen and buy I'm, then I think there would be vast improvement
 
peterwade75 said:
Because JL was an average recruiter, "average" teacher, but a poor motivator. How many times did we hear Jim himself say "they aren't buying in"?.... All the time, which means he could not motivate them to listen. If you get a better recruiter with perhaps equal teaching skills who can actually motivate the better players to listen and buy I'm, then I think there would be vast improvement
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Not only do we need a solid motivator but we need a guy with a system to bring in that people will believe in from day 1!
 
peterwade75 said:
Here is a little story for u that don't want jh. a few years back there read an up and coming but very young assistant in the nfl. He was described as energetic, a great motivator, a guy who players would love to play for. But he was young, inexperienced and people didn't know about his x and o's. Miami interviewed him and said thanks but no thanks. Few days later the steelers hired him. Mike tomlin. Players today love these young motivating type of coaches. You can always get good assistants who know x's and o's.
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You need to look up the definition of "Spurious Correlation".

I personally wouldn't mind JH over some of the other candidates mentioned. However, you're not going to sway the naysayers with an argument such as the one you stated.
 
srw said:
Im guessing no one is going to be blaming the search firm...
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I'm sure they wouldn't care either way as long as the check clears.......


Looking past the lack of head coaching experience, the thing that concerns me most about JH is that this job would simply be a stepping stone for him. If he has any success here, he will bolt for the first High Major that offers him the Head Coaching job.

I would much rather see Bradley go after candidates who not only want to rebuild the program, but also want to remain at the helm for an extensive (and successful) period of time. This is tough to guage when looking at potential candidates. However, you can at least look at the candidate's age and history to help speculate on what this individual's personal longterm goals are.
 
Deadguy35 said:
I'm sure they wouldn't care either way as long as the check clears.......


Looking past the lack of head coaching experience, the thing that concerns me most about JH is that this job would simply be a stepping stone for him. If he has any success here, he will bolt for the first High Major that offers him the Head Coaching job.

I would much rather see Bradley go after candidates who not only want to rebuild the program, but also want to remain at the helm for an extensive (and successful) period of time. This is tough to guage when looking at potential candidates. However, you can at least look at the candidate's age and history to help speculate on what this individual's personal longterm goals are.
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I want the exact opposite. Im tired of firing coaches. Lets have one succeed and leave. This job would likely then be even more appealing.
 
Newbies ?

Newbies ?

[Not sure I like newbies coming on the board and acting as if people are stupid for being a little scared of the hire.

please, i don't think anyone that takes the time to read the posts on this board should be referred to as newbies. Some of us do and have been quiet members of this board for many years. We just choose to read, not post. I read the rules and no where did i see anything about minimum post requirement. I read and appreciate all of the posts, even the ones i dont agree with.

JH will be a great hire, maybe not at BU, but somewhere
I will support whoever they Hire because I am a Bradley Basketball Fan. I supported JL because he was a great player and the coach of our team. I wish they would have given him one more year, but they didnt, so lets move on. I attend all the home games and will continue even when we lose. I will be ther if JG coaches the team herself. and by the way, good post pete
 
srw said:
I want the exact opposite. Im tired of firing coaches. Lets have one succeed and leave. This job would likely then be even more appealing.
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I agree...

Hire Coach A let him achieve some success and leave

Hire Coach B who is even better and achieve more success and let him leave

Hire Coach C and be set up to continue an outstanding run of success


Think Butler, Xavier, Gonzaga, VCU, and even UTEP has had a pretty solid run since Gillespie in 02.
 
srw said:
I want the exact opposite. Im tired of firing coaches. Lets have one succeed and leave. This job would likely then be even more appealing.
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That is exactly how I feel. Now maybe if we have two succeed and move on to bigger jobs I would change my mind and say we need someone for the long term. However I think this job being a stepping stone can work well.
 
Long term, short term, who cares? I want a winner. Larry Brown would be my first pick out of anyone and he would be a short timer because that is what he does.

Don Sutton spent a bit of time with USF and since then the schools program is looking up.
 
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SFP said:
Long term, short term, who cares? I want a winner. Larry Brown would be my first pick out of anyone and he would be a short timer because that is what he does.

Don Sutton spent a bit of time with USF and since then the schools program is looking up.
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I hate to say it, because I'd love to build the program with a 5 year-plus coach, but I agree with this train of thought. The Valley has become a launching pad conference and Les and Altman were exceptions. The NIU, WSU, and at one point, SIU programs followed this model and successfully reloaded. It just seems there is not a clearly successful guy out there with enough past performance as head coach. Some have name recognition, but Gicoletti (sp?)iIs about it so far (not too keen on him either). I just would hate to role the dice on an unproven assistant hoping he has pedigree. It's nice not to have the decision but be able to sit back and criticize as an alum from my chair I guess ;-)
 
The question we have to ask ourselves is what kind of program are we right now. We are a program with a rich history that is among the top 20 in
wins. We have a brand new state of the art practice facility, one of the nicer facilties to play in and a loyal and passonite fan base. We play in a conference that had 4 NCAA bids 5 years ago but have only had 1 the last few years. This would tell me if I'm a possible candidate that the chance to be successful is pretty good. The next question to ask would be what type of coach does Bradley need. Do you go with someone who was a head coach and is looking to get back in it? Do you go with a hot shot assistant who might only use BU as a stepping stone? Do you go with a current head coach at a lower Division 1 level? Hopefully the answer is the right one because if it's not we'll have 10 more years of not competing for a Valley champioship and no NCAA bids.
 
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