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Valley's coordinator of officials

Sheesh, the guy made a mistake and people are still bringing it up? Wow.

Actually, the MVC spends a pretty good amount of money for officials in relation to other mid-major leagues. They have made that a priority.
 
The biggest problem i have is that the officials do not seem to have the accountability that they should, Bain reviewed the intentional foul called at UNI and said it was the proper call which was just a cop out as I have never seen that called ever before in a game, but then that was the easy thing for him rather then admit it was the wrong call.
 
real fan said:
The biggest problem i have is that the officials do not seem to have the accountability that they should, Bain reviewed the intentional foul called at UNI and said it was the proper call which was just a cop out as I have never seen that called ever before in a game, but then that was the easy thing for him rather then admit it was the wrong call.
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Real fan, I'm not going to change your mind but,I am going to help you understand why Jim backed the official in this case. First let me tell you Jim has come down on officials under his watch when they were in the wrong. In the UNI game he HAD to back the officials or disregard the rule book. I've seen the call on tape and it clearly shows a BU player with his arm around the offensive players neck. The offensive player did not have the ball so that totally clears the official. A player must be making an attempt to get the ball for it to be call a regular personal foul. Do you see it called often . No but it was the right call even though we didn't like it ,we can't pick and choose what rules to use when it fits to our advantage.
 
I do not care what cool-aid I drink but the officiating is terrible or I should I sayTERRIBLE in the MVC. We maybe paying more but we are not getting our money's worth. I watch plenty of college ball and there is a huge drop off from BCS to the Valley in officiating. The UNI call was one of many blown calls against BU and it goes beyond the obvious calls but the way they call the game. Please watch the way officials call Big East or ACC games compared to MVC games. The BCS officials call a game for men while it looks like our officials are calling a woman HS game. IMHO
 
Boiler said:
Jim Bain is famous for all the wrong reasons: http://www.gazetteonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090219/SPORTS/702199902/1008
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I remember that call, and that game....I was watching it, and rooting very hard for Purdue.

There was no question that there was a foul. Bain simply signalled the wrong uniform number.

Drake fans still hate Bain from a game in December of 1976, where he cowered from Al McGwire and the Marquette players in what turned out to be a 2 point Marquette victory. Had they lost the Drake game, Marquette probably would not have made the NCAA tournament....they barely got in as it was. They went on to win the NCAA championship that season.

In the game, Bo Ellis intentionally elbowed Drake freshman Dave Johnson (from Oneida, Ill) in the head, knocking him out. A technical was called on Ellis, but he wasn't kicked out of the game. With the game tied, there was a jump ball called with about 5 seconds to go (this was before alternate possession on a tie up for you young'uns). McGwire came out onto the court to position his players...literally taking their arms and moving them to where he wanted them.....this certainly should be a technical foul, but the crew, including Bain, was too afraid of McGwire.
 
wily coyote said:
Real fan, I'm not going to change your mind but,I am going to help you understand why Jim backed the official in this case. First let me tell you Jim has come down on officials under his watch when they were in the wrong. In the UNI game he HAD to back the officials or disregard the rule book. I've seen the call on tape and it clearly shows a BU player with his arm around the offensive players neck. The offensive player did not have the ball so that totally clears the official. A player must be making an attempt to get the ball for it to be call a regular personal foul. Do you see it called often . No but it was the right call even though we didn't like it ,we can't pick and choose what rules to use when it fits to our advantage.
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I do not for one second buy what you are selling.

There was likely a foul on the play, but for the official on the opposite side line to make a call completely across the floor through traffic and then to determine that the play was flagrant was incompetience and the wrong decision regardless of the situation.

Bain and you can back this call all you want, and it was a foul but a flagrant call was wrong. Not only because it was called with 22 seconds remaining in a game for first place and a 2 point difference in the score, but because it was NOT an intentional flagrant foul.

The officiating in this conference is poor at best and that goes for every game nearly every night. But the UNI call in question was a complete joke in how it was handled and called by an official not in position to make that type of judgement call.
 
leebiddlecome said:
Actually, the MVC spends a pretty good amount of money for officials in relation to other mid-major leagues. They have made that a priority.
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If this is the case, then the MVC needs to reaccess how the money is allocted to officiating because their money is certainly not spent wisely:!:
 
Maybe some of you guys on here could volunteer to do the games for free since we all think we are better than the officials... We'd get better called games and think of all the money we could be saving the MVC.

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All I ask out of the officials is to be consistent on both ends of the floor, some of them should be told that they are not suppose to be stars of the show, (Gerry Pollard Tim Hutchinson come to mind) , please let the players decide who will win the game and the official that called the intentional foul at UNI is a complete ***** as I have previously stated .
 
A little off topic but since we are talking about Bain.....

Years ago I played in a Braves club outing with Bain and MO. Bain is a pretty good golfer and they had a closest to the line contest on a drive.
Bain hits one real nice down the middle about 250 or so and ends up about a foot or so off the line. Mo gets up and promptly smacks one into the trees where it rattles around nd comes out rolling about 100 yards up the fairway but about 3 inches from the line....and won since distance wasn't a consideration.....Bain couldn't believe it.....
 
houstontxbrave said:
I do not for one second buy what you are selling.

There was likely a foul on the play, but for the official on the opposite side line to make a call completely across the floor through traffic and then to determine that the play was flagrant was incompetience and the wrong decision regardless of the situation.

Bain and you can back this call all you want, and it was a foul but a flagrant call was wrong. Not only because it was called with 22 seconds remaining in a game for first place and a 2 point difference in the score, but because it was NOT an intentional flagrant foul.

The officiating in this conference is poor at best and that goes for every game nearly every night. But the UNI call in question was a complete joke in how it was handled and called by an official not in position to make that type of judgement call.
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Houston, I usually agree with your posts but you are dead wrong in two areas. 1.) It was not a flagrant foul , it was an intentional foul and there penalities are very different. 2.) Officials are to work the game for 40 minutes by the rules. That would have been an intentional foul if it was in the first minute its just to bad that it came at a critical time, but we needed the clock stopped. I'm not going to change your mind but you're looking through your rose colored glasses and ignoring the rule book. You may be able to do that but officials can not. Did it hurt us yes but we did it. Did it cost us the game,no not unless we shot 100% and didn't turn the ball over all night and we know that didn't happen so lets move on. I'm not saying the officiating is good in this conference. I'm just saying you get what you pay for. Those guys make a lot of money and the good ones work in the conferences that pay good money and enjoy the visability. Lets see work Duke vs N.C. tonight or Drake vs UNI. I know what game I want and not because of the money difference. These people who officiate don't care who wins and they surely don't need the money.
 
Beninator said:
--just got the call from Doug Elgin to ref a couple of games in St Louis-:rolleyes:

I am getting my suitcase ready as we speak.
1 whistle
1 striped shirt
1 pair of black pants
1 pair sunglasses
1 white cane
1 silver dollar to toss to determine which team to call a foul on..

yep I'm ready to be a ref in the MVC!;-)
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LOL! This is reminding me of the episode from Curb Your Enthusiasm when he tries to be a car salesman. :lol:
 
wily coyote said:
Houston, I usually agree with your posts but you are dead wrong in two areas. 1.) It was not a flagrant foul , it was an intentional foul and there penalities are very different. 2.) Officials are to work the game for 40 minutes by the rules. That would have been an intentional foul if it was in the first minute its just to bad that it came at a critical time, but we needed the clock stopped. I'm not going to change your mind but you're looking through your rose colored glasses and ignoring the rule book. You may be able to do that but officials can not. Did it hurt us yes but we did it. Did it cost us the game,no not unless we shot 100% and didn't turn the ball over all night and we know that didn't happen so lets move on. I'm not saying the officiating is good in this conference. I'm just saying you get what you pay for. Those guys make a lot of money and the good ones work in the conferences that pay good money and enjoy the visability. Lets see work Duke vs N.C. tonight or Drake vs UNI. I know what game I want and not because of the money difference. These people who officiate don't care who wins and they surely don't need the money.
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I am going to defer to you on this because I think you probably know more about the rule book then I do and the assessing of the rules during a game.

But was the play by Dunston really an Intentional foul? I am just guessing here, but an intentional foul should show intent to intentionally harm another player.. IE under cutting. The play we are talking about happened on an inbound play, with the two players intangled, can an official seriously make the judgement that Dunston was intentionally trying to harm or even impede the opposing player?

I guess I just do not know what is considered an intentional foul. I would beleive intentional is just that intentional, I never saw or thought Dunston was fouling the UNI player intentionally.

I understand rules are rules and I agree they should be assessed equally throughout the game, but even if an arm of Dunstons got up near the players head/neck was he intentionally trying to harm that player? Was his intent to harm or impede the opposing player. We do not really know, but an official is also human and should be able to make a judgement, also knowing what his judgement will do to change the course of a game.

Many of us have seen players entangle even shove in a line waiting for an inbound play, how often do we see an intentional foul called versus when an official steps in and seperates or just makes a foul call?

There was no need to make the call in the fashion the official made, even if the rules give him the leway to make a call as he did. It just does not come off as quality work.
 
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