Based on the number of season ticket holders and size of the announced attendance, I know that ISU does not count tickets sold- but actual tickets taken. This one reason why students now have to have a hard copy ticket to get into all games- no more flashing a RedAlert pass and student ID like it was 4 years ago...
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Valley Home Attendance
- Thread starter shaunguth
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Nacho is right. Red Alert had over 5000 members in last year. If they counted them for tickets purchased (which each and everyone has purchased a ticket) how does one explain games where we have had less than 5K as our listed attendance? Butts in seats.
Agreed, a quick eye-test can bust this myth. The may do something like is being said for students at such. But I still maintain there is now way they count butts in seats.
If it's true about ISU, then I would be shocked.
I spent several years in the major event promotion business, and promoters everywhere, from major league teams down to low-level act concerts always inflate their numbers to the public for non-sellouts. Always. i've never met a promoter who doesn't.
There's no shame in it. I don't see why it's a big deal. Getting "offended" because you believe that a crowd estimate is off seems a bit silly and over sensitive to me.
Frankly, comparing our attendance to other teams seems futile, but that's just my opinion. I want our program to sell out every game. It's not realistic until we improve the quality of the product. I firmly believe that if we consistently finished in the top-3 of the Valley and found ourselves in the big Dance or at least on the bubble every year, we would "legitimately" average near-sellout crowds.
I spent several years in the major event promotion business, and promoters everywhere, from major league teams down to low-level act concerts always inflate their numbers to the public for non-sellouts. Always. i've never met a promoter who doesn't.
There's no shame in it. I don't see why it's a big deal. Getting "offended" because you believe that a crowd estimate is off seems a bit silly and over sensitive to me.
Frankly, comparing our attendance to other teams seems futile, but that's just my opinion. I want our program to sell out every game. It's not realistic until we improve the quality of the product. I firmly believe that if we consistently finished in the top-3 of the Valley and found ourselves in the big Dance or at least on the bubble every year, we would "legitimately" average near-sellout crowds.
FanOfTheGame
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I am pretty positive it is at SIU too. The numbers were always much higher when they used the old fashioned, serrated edged tickets. Now that they switched to the barcodes I am 90% sure it is butts in seats. But that could be because of our 2 off years also- although the eye test would suggest it has made an impact. Who knows?
If they pipe in crowd noise make it loud enough to wake the band up also. Kind of hard for anyone to stay awake while all the PA announcements are going on during the timeouts. Turn the band and cheerleaders loose like most other arenas.
If this is the case, then why does it make sense in all instances other than sellouts? THAT doesn't make sense to me.
Because if you turn people away who are trying to get tickets (because they are sold out) but only report a crowd of 10,000 (200 less than capacity), there will be people upset that it wasn't a "sellout" and should have been allowed in. There will NEVER be a game where every sold ticket will be in attendance... Make better sense for ya now??? :roll:
Yes, but there's still a difference between "sold out" and "full capacity".
The official attendance at last Sunday's Bradley game was 9,000. That means there were approx. only 2,000 tickets available, and not the 6,000+ that some are claiming. :roll:
MacabreMob
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Wow.
That's all I can say for how this discussion over attendance has so many people worked up.... basically from "Tornado-Hate". :lol:
That's all I can say for how this discussion over attendance has so many people worked up.... basically from "Tornado-Hate". :lol:
SaintLouBrave22
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I agree with that statement 100%.
The PA announcer is so worried about getting the announcements during the timeouts correct that he doesn't pay attention to parts of the game AND he can't even do his homework right and get players names correctly.
Its pronounced KUH-KNEE-ZU-VICH
and its MEE-LOSH
Its not that difficult to get the more important things right...
The Qdoba race and all that other garbage can kiss my you know what!
So as long as we sell-out the arena its OK if no one shows up. YIKES.
It's kinda hard to force 4,000+ "fans" to show up if they'd rather stay home to watch the Bears!
My point on all this attendance stuff is NOT so much who, what, how, how many, where, when is being reported its just that the atmosphere, in general, at BU is bad and getting worse IMO.
Then when you try and blow smoke up my arse and tell me that after 2 games we are averaging 9k...PUKE.
I'm not a numbers guy..I am more about results. So I'm glad BU is happy with a morgue as long as its a profitable one.
Then when you try and blow smoke up my arse and tell me that after 2 games we are averaging 9k...PUKE.
I'm not a numbers guy..I am more about results. So I'm glad BU is happy with a morgue as long as its a profitable one.
I agree...I'd say it was 1/2 to watch football and the other half due to good weather (the week before).
Bottom line....SUNDAY games should be outlawed. Can't sell a car...can't go to a game.
There is not any need for a physical body count. When you enter Carver Arena, the bar code on yout ticket is scanned and yours and all ticked customers are registered as in attendance.
Therefore they CAN provide a pretty accurate correct attendance.
They count tickets sold, which include non attending season ticket holders purely because, it looks better and for the reasons stated above..
Maybe they should've went with a 5,000-seat on-campus arena. That way it would (hopefully) be full all the time and there would (hopefully) be a better student turnout as well.
OMG...I about lost it when I saw that. You gotta be kidding me. But, I must admit...the excitment level went through the roof following that brainstorm of an idea. YIKES....
Band...who needs a band.
Just for the record I was NOT saying YOU are blowing any smoke...
...its the Universities.Yes on the on-campus...no on the size.