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UNI in trouble??

I believe that if UNI loses against ISU and loses in either the first or second game of MVC Tourney that they will not dance...... We'll see. :rolleyes:
 
Ok, everyone still on the conspiracy theory that program status (i.e. if the program is BCS or not) is a major factor in it getting at large bids needs to take a step back. Now, yes, playing in that BCS conferences gives it advantages in their resume. But that's an issue of evaluation of criteria, not of bias on the selection committee. Anyone who thinks UConn is getting a bid because of their prestige is an *****. They're getting a bid because they beat two top 10 teams in the past week and improved their resume.


Now, it's true the borderline mid-major teams have gotten the shaft the last couple of years. But the no-brainer mid-major teams DON'T. And UNI is a no-brainer, for the love of God.
 
Maybe this might help things...

Jerry Palm breaks down the teams on the bubble like this:

In (26 teams):
ACC: Duke, Wake Forest
Big 12: Baylor, Kansas, Kansas St, Texas, Texas A&M
Big East: Georgetown, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Villanova, West Virginia
Big Ten: Purdue, Michigan St, Ohio St, Wisconsin
SEC: Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
A-10: Richmond, Temple, Xavier
Horizon: Butler
Mtn W: BYU, New Mexico
West Coast: Gonzaga
One bid only (18 ): America East, Atlantic Sun, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, Ivy, MAAC, MAC, MEAC, Northeast, Ohio Valley, Patriot, Southern, Southland, Summit, Sun Belt, SWAC, WAC
Number of spots remaining in the field: 21
Number of teams listed below: 30. That means that at least 9 teams listed on this page will not make the tournament.


CLEMSON
FLORIDA ST
GEORGIA TECH
MARYLAND
VIRGINIA TECH
MISSOURI
OKLAHOMA ST
CINCINNATI
CONNECTICUT
LOUISVILLE
MARQUETTE
SETON HALL
ST JOHNS
ILLINOIS
CALIFORNIA
ARIZONA ST
FLORIDA
MISSISSIPPI
MISSISSIPPI ST
CHARLOTTE
DAYTON
RHODE ISLAND
SAN DIEGO ST
UNLV
ODU
UAB
UTEP
UNI
UTAH ST
ST MARYS
 
TheAsianSensation said:
Ok, everyone still on the conspiracy theory that program status (i.e. if the program is BCS or not) is a major factor in it getting at large bids needs to take a step back. Now, yes, playing in that BCS conferences gives it advantages in their resume. But that's an issue of evaluation of criteria, not of bias on the selection committee. Anyone who thinks UConn is getting a bid because of their prestige is an *****. They're getting a bid because they beat two top 10 teams in the past week and improved their resume.


Now, it's true the borderline mid-major teams have gotten the shaft the last couple of years. But the no-brainer mid-major teams DON'T. And UNI is a no-brainer, for the love of God.
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I agree with everything you just said until your last line. If there were decent odds that UNI would not make the NCAA Tourney I would take that bet.
 
Here is an ESPN article with some interesting quotes. You can see the Power Conference guys are already setting themselves up to get as many of their own into the tournament as they can-

Will 10-8 in the Big East be enough?
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...atz_andy/id/4941820/will-10-8-big-east-enough

the answer is- of course it will. Who is Andy Katz kidding?
Does anyone want to make a bet? Who thinks there is any chance of a Big East team with a winning league record not gettin in? Let's bet.
 
There's a reasonable chance with Louisville at 10-8 and Marquette at 10-8. Of course, it all depends on what the other bubble teams do.

This leads down a very very dark road of discussion about what conference record truly represents when it comes to an at-large resume.

As an aside, how quickly do we forget about 10-6 Syracuse being punished by the committee a couple of years ago?
 
You're talking about 2006-2007, but then they were 24-11, and the Big East already had 6 teams in...
Most years, Syracuse has gotten pretty good deals from the NCAA!

In 2008-2009 they were 28-10, and 11-7 in the Big East, yet still got a #3 seed!!
In 2004-2005 they got an at large bid when they were 7-9 in the Big East and even got a #5-seed!
 
MacabreMob said:
Maybe this might help things...

Jerry Palm breaks down the teams on the bubble like this:

In (26 teams):
ACC: Duke, Wake Forest
Big 12: Baylor, Kansas, Kansas St, Texas, Texas A&M
Big East: Georgetown, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Villanova, West Virginia
Big Ten: Purdue, Michigan St, Ohio St, Wisconsin
SEC: Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
A-10: Richmond, Temple, Xavier
Horizon: Butler
Mtn W: BYU, New Mexico
West Coast: Gonzaga
One bid only (18 ): America East, Atlantic Sun, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, Ivy, MAAC, MAC, MEAC, Northeast, Ohio Valley, Patriot, Southern, Southland, Summit, Sun Belt, SWAC, WAC
Number of spots remaining in the field: 21
Number of teams listed below: 30. That means that at least 9 teams listed on this page will not make the tournament.


CLEMSON
FLORIDA ST
GEORGIA TECH
MARYLAND
VIRGINIA TECH
MISSOURI
OKLAHOMA ST
CINCINNATI
CONNECTICUT
LOUISVILLE
MARQUETTE
SETON HALL
ST JOHNS
ILLINOIS
CALIFORNIA
ARIZONA ST
FLORIDA
MISSISSIPPI
MISSISSIPPI ST
CHARLOTTE
DAYTON
RHODE ISLAND
SAN DIEGO ST
UNLV
ODU
UAB
UTEP
UNI
UTAH ST
ST MARYS
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At least 10 of those 30 teams have little case that they can make for being in the tourney as of right now. I guess 1 of them has to get in unless there's a big upset in one of the multi-bid league's tourneys...those 10 are Cincy, Seton Hall, St. John's, Arizona St., Mississippi, Mississippi St., Charlotte, Dayton, Rhode Island, and St. Mary's.
 
MacabreMob said:
Maybe this might help things...

Jerry Palm breaks down the teams on the bubble like this:

In (26 teams):
ACC: Duke, Wake Forest
Big 12: Baylor, Kansas, Kansas St, Texas, Texas A&M
Big East: Georgetown, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Villanova, West Virginia
Big Ten: Purdue, Michigan St, Ohio St, Wisconsin
SEC: Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
A-10: Richmond, Temple, Xavier
Horizon: Butler
Mtn W: BYU, New Mexico
West Coast: Gonzaga
One bid only (18 ): America East, Atlantic Sun, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, Ivy, MAAC, MAC, MEAC, Northeast, Ohio Valley, Patriot, Southern, Southland, Summit, Sun Belt, SWAC, WAC
Number of spots remaining in the field: 21
Number of teams listed below: 30. That means that at least 9 teams listed on this page will not make the tournament.


CLEMSON
FLORIDA ST
GEORGIA TECH
MARYLAND
VIRGINIA TECH
MISSOURI
OKLAHOMA ST
CINCINNATI
CONNECTICUT
LOUISVILLE
MARQUETTE
SETON HALL
ST JOHNS
ILLINOIS
CALIFORNIA
ARIZONA ST
FLORIDA
MISSISSIPPI
MISSISSIPPI ST
CHARLOTTE
DAYTON
RHODE ISLAND
SAN DIEGO ST
UNLV
ODU
UAB
UTEP
UNI
UTAH ST
ST MARYS
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I'm wondering if UNI is only listed as the one Valley team or if the winner in STL would take another team's place on that list of 30.
 
Da Coach said:
I think the NCAA selection committee will consider they were playing without their "star" center Eglseder. However, losing to the last place team in the league will be ammunition for all the committee members to use against them so they can get the 8th place BE, ACC, and Big 12 teams in the tournament.
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This is no shock to me. I knew we were going to get this from the college basketball talking heads today, which just reiterates what I posted last night after this game. However, we all know that if U Conn as an example loses two home games to DePaul and Rutgers, but then comes back and beats two top 10 teams, they get in without any issue as long as they are 8-10 in conference and at least three or four games above .500 overall. And you could make a good case for them.

The problem is there is no margin for error with the UNI's of the world because they did not really have any games this year against NCAA Tournament type teams except maybe Old Dominion. And because through no fault of their own that Boston College is having a down year and the Valley is still down from their levels of four or five years ago, UNI has no chance to disprove a fluky bad performance against Evansville, even with as you said Coach, their star player suspended. The only mid-majors who could get away with a loss or two like this are Gonzaga and Butler as they are two of only a few other non-BCS teams that are able to schedule up to give themselves more chances to beat high quality teams.

Besides those two teams, you have BYU, a couple of A-10 teams, and Old Dominon that are the only other non-BCS teams that have played their way into at-large contention with wins over BCS teams that these teams were willing to play. Then you have Bradley that may have the best wins in the Valley this year, but had too many blown opportunites against lesser opponents mainly at home. But at least we did the right thing by scheduling up. It doesn't work every season, but we gave ourselves the opportunity. As soon as ISU red, UNI and SIU learn that lesson, maybe the Valley can earn multiple NCAA Tournament bids again and a team like UNI won't have to worry about their status if they lose to an Evansville type team.

As it is, I think the weak bubble still gets UNI in. But based on what happened the last two seasons on Selection Sunday, I'm not really counting on it.
 
Folks...UNI would have to lose out (that means Saturday and in their 1st game in St. Louis) to even be back on the bubble. Enough with the 'Doomsday' thoughts.
 
tornado said:
You're talking about 2006-2007, but then they were 24-11, and the Big East already had 6 teams in...
Most years, Syracuse has gotten pretty good deals from the NCAA!

In 2008-2009 they were 28-10, and 11-7 in the Big East, yet still got a #3 seed!!
In 2004-2005 they got an at large bid when they were 7-9 in the Big East and even got a #5-seed!
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'04-'05 was the year they won 4 games in 4 days to win the Big East tourney, but the 5 seed was definitely an overreaction.

Yea, Syracuse has gotten a couple of breaks, but that wasn't the point. The point is that they're not afraid to leave a +.500 Big East team out if they don't deserve it.
 
shaunguth said:
I'm wondering if UNI is only listed as the one Valley team or if the winner in STL would take another team's place on that list of 30.
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A winner other than UNI in STL would take the place of teams listed IN. UNI would still be on the Bubble List. But the number of remaining bids available to those on the Bubble List will shrink from 21 to 20 - which would mean 10 teams on the list would not make the Tourney.
 
UNI is fine for now, but their seeding definitely took a hit and they really need to be careful from here on in. Lose their next two and they are skating on very thin ice.
 
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