I agree with you...ST Johns and G-town didn't seem like 6 seeds to me...problem is that there were some big holes in most everyone's resume this year
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The Big East is a BIG FRAUD!!!
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I agree with you...ST Johns and G-town didn't seem like 6 seeds to me...problem is that there were some big holes in most everyone's resume this year
Agreed. Which is why the BCS teams avoid the mid-majors like the plague when they make up their schedule. That's why the BCS teams get higher seeds over the mid-majors almost everytime since the selection committee has no true means of measuring just how good mid-major tournament participants are.
And of course I forgot VCU. Let's hope they can beat a shorthanded Purdue team and keep things going for the CAA as well!
TheAsianSensation
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Big East is just a victim. The committee is purposefully trying to kill them off by making them play each other in the 2nd round. They rigged UConn and Cincy to play each other in the exact same way they rigged Butler/ODU.
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Come on TAS, you don't believe that conspiracy stuff... 
The fact is there were just so many Big East teams in the tournament, that the primary job of the committee was to work around the clock just to keep from having them all play each other in the first round. They didn't even have time to worry about the second round. That would have been an impossible task
The fact is there were just so many Big East teams in the tournament, that the primary job of the committee was to work around the clock just to keep from having them all play each other in the first round. They didn't even have time to worry about the second round. That would have been an impossible task
Year after year it is the same...last year (the big east was great then, too) the big east lost 6 out of 8 in the first round. This year they have a handfull of great teams...but 11 ??????One "giant" just got slayed as #8 seeded Butler shocks (or maybe not) #1 seeded Pittsburgh 71-70! The end of this game needed to be seen to be believed as both teams attempted to throw the game away. Butler had a 70-69 lead with 3 seconds left, committed a terrible foul which gave Pitt a chance to win with one second left. After splitting free throws, Pitt fouled Butler, with Butler splitting their free throws for a 71-70 win.
Regardless of how they won, I think Butler proved what a FRAUD the Big East is becoming! Only 3 teams will advance to the Sweet 16, without me knowing how many more are playing tomorrow.
Not good for the "big boys"!
See previous thread....OVERATED!
tornado
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Here's a great line this morning from the newswire.....
"ESPN analysts Dick Vitale and Jay Bilas made complete *****s out of themselves
after ripping the selection committee for giving at-large bids to schools from
mid-major conferences in VCU and UAB at the expense of major conference
schools like Colorado and Virginia Tech."
http://www.delawareonline.com/artic...inderella?odyssey=tab|mostpopular|text|SPORTS
Here's an interesting stat....we all know 31 bids are automatic...so 37 are at-large bids
TEN at large bids went to the Big East out of a total of 29 BCS at-large bids...
so more than ONE in every three at large bids given to a BCS school was given to a Big East school, and yet only 2 or 3 will advance past the 2nd game (depending on Notre Dame's game today)
so I'd say all those extra bids to the lower level Big East teams like Villanova, Marquette, Georgetown, Cincy, WVU, & St. John's were good-ole-boys gifts form the selection committee.
Given that only 8 at large bids go to mid-majors -- it's surprising to see so many mid-major teams still alive and advancing...
..George Mason, San Diego State, Richmond, VCU, Butler BYU...at least FOUR mid-majors will make the Sweet Sixteen -- possibly six...
I think this proves ONCE AGAIN -- the top mid-majors deserve at large bids over the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, and 11th best teams in the big conferences...
"ESPN analysts Dick Vitale and Jay Bilas made complete *****s out of themselves
after ripping the selection committee for giving at-large bids to schools from
mid-major conferences in VCU and UAB at the expense of major conference
schools like Colorado and Virginia Tech."
http://www.delawareonline.com/artic...inderella?odyssey=tab|mostpopular|text|SPORTS
Here's an interesting stat....we all know 31 bids are automatic...so 37 are at-large bids
TEN at large bids went to the Big East out of a total of 29 BCS at-large bids...
so more than ONE in every three at large bids given to a BCS school was given to a Big East school, and yet only 2 or 3 will advance past the 2nd game (depending on Notre Dame's game today)
so I'd say all those extra bids to the lower level Big East teams like Villanova, Marquette, Georgetown, Cincy, WVU, & St. John's were good-ole-boys gifts form the selection committee.
Given that only 8 at large bids go to mid-majors -- it's surprising to see so many mid-major teams still alive and advancing...
..George Mason, San Diego State, Richmond, VCU, Butler BYU...at least FOUR mid-majors will make the Sweet Sixteen -- possibly six...
I think this proves ONCE AGAIN -- the top mid-majors deserve at large bids over the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, and 11th best teams in the big conferences...
BUSongwriter
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I think this proves ONCE AGAIN -- the top mid-majors deserve at large bids over the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, and 11th best teams in the big conferences...[/QUOTE]
Certainly the regular season conference champions of the top mid-major conferences deserve at large bids over middle-of-the-pack (or lower) finishers in "power" conferences. But my gue$$ is the NCAA decision-maker$ won't remove their blinder$ no matter what happen$ in the tournament year after year.
Certainly the regular season conference champions of the top mid-major conferences deserve at large bids over middle-of-the-pack (or lower) finishers in "power" conferences. But my gue$$ is the NCAA decision-maker$ won't remove their blinder$ no matter what happen$ in the tournament year after year.
TheAsianSensation
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Come on TAS, you don't believe that conspiracy stuff...
The fact is there were just so many Big East teams in the tournament, that the primary job of the committee was to work around the clock just to keep from having them all play each other in the first round. They didn't even have time to worry about the second round. That would have been an impossible task
I will say they had a couple avenues to avoid Big East matchups until the Sweet 16 and didn't take them, for some reason.
I will say one thing in the Big East's defense: just like the MVC played the RPI game in '06, the Big East played the RPI game this year and got everyone's power numbers way up, getting 11 teams in. Despite their performance, they earned their 11 bids this year.
BradleyBrave
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The Big Least is an annual NCAA fraud, with Pitt leading the way year after year. There's no Big Least team more lauded and more disappointing every year than the Panthers. Playing a BU in the 2nd round spells doom for them again!
TheAsianSensation
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It's worth comparing how the Big East does against seed expectations:
Pittsburgh: 3 wins short of seed expectation
Notre Dame: played to seed so far
Louisville: 2 wins short of seed expectation
Syracuse: played to seed so far
Georgetown: 1 win short of seed expectation
St John's: 1 win short of seed expectation
UConn: played to seed so far
Cincy: played to seed so far
Marquette: 1 win over seed expectation
Nova: played to seed
WVU: played to seed
They're minus-6 so far.
Pittsburgh: 3 wins short of seed expectation
Notre Dame: played to seed so far
Louisville: 2 wins short of seed expectation
Syracuse: played to seed so far
Georgetown: 1 win short of seed expectation
St John's: 1 win short of seed expectation
UConn: played to seed so far
Cincy: played to seed so far
Marquette: 1 win over seed expectation
Nova: played to seed
WVU: played to seed
They're minus-6 so far.
In all fairness, most of those lower level Big East teams did have good resumes and deserved to be in. I think Villanova was the one HUGE exception as they are a team that had no business being anywhere near the tournament based on their last few weeks of play. And even Marquette probably could have been left out, irregardless of their win in the tournament.
My bigger gripes where with Michigan, Michigan St. and Illinois, where two out of those three could have easily been left out. Again, tournament wins aside, should they have all been there in the first place? I think not.
All the committee needed to do was keep five of the borderline average teams out and Missouri St., St. Mary's and even Harvard and Wichita St. could have been in. And even the pundits admitted we had a very soft bubble this year, so why all the love from the committee for these teams that made it? Money of course!
Braves4Life
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I agree with your analysis Bravesfan.
The big East is a great conference but they do not deserve that many bids and neither did the big 10, there is so much parity in college basketball which is why the good mid-major teams can compete with most of these teams, heck Old Dominion played Butler even so except for a bad draw they could still be playing, this tour. needs to give more bids to the mids as they have proved they can compete with most of these so called power teams.
To further validate that the Big East is dramatically overrated, the ONLY 2 teams to reach the sweet 16 did so by beating another Big East time in the round of 32. Not a single Big East team advanced to the Sweet 16 by beat a team from another conference in the round of 32 (ND could do it).
BradleyBrave
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Come on FSU!
I'm torn, I actually like ND this year (despite the Hansborough hype), but I really don't like the Big East... I guess I'll call it a win-win?
Dallas Brave
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Marquette now a +2, but we know that they are really a midwest school!
It's negated by the -1 for Syracuse...
Braves4Life
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ND will have problems with FSU's athleticism. If FSU hits the 3 and limits turnovers they will win. They have always had a lot of potential...... Remember, they beat Duke.