Something that concerns me

[BUBraves2006]

We all know there has been a colossal divide on this board for quite awhile now about the program's direction and decisions that have been made.

This brings me to a simple question:

- Is there going to be a segment of people who aren't going to give the new coach a fair shake just because they thought Jim Les was unfairly dismissed?

I ask this because it seems like those who were on the pro-Les side are so disgruntled now that no matter what decision the administration makes, there will be a faction that is going to discount the hire no matter what.

If it's really true that players and recruits do actually come to message boards, I think that's a dangerous road to go down.

Maybe I'm just trying to be proactive here, but no matter who is on the roster next year (coaches and players), we will all back them and try to start a new chapter in BU basketball in a positive way.

I understand if some of you will always be mad about Les and that's okay, but I hope once we get the pieces in place for 2011-12 and beyond, we can be forward thinkers and not dwell on the past too much here.

As much as it can get annoying at times, I'd much rather have a board that is too "pro-Bradley" with all of the great information we get on here than have a bunch of incessant bickering until some future date when the next coach can truly be evaluated.

 

[amckillip]

1) So it's dangerous to be negative now, but all the anti-JL rhetoric was OK?

2) Has ANYONE said they wouldn't give the new coach a chance? I am so tired of being told by other people that I won't like the new coach because I don't support the manner in which BU staff is treated its barely worth talking anymore.

3) How many times are we going to have this exact thread?

 

[BUBraves2006]

I'm sorry for trying to be positive. Apparently that isn't allowed in the new era of BU hoops or bradleyfans.com.

And you certainly spend a heck of a lot more time reading the boards than I do. But I personally haven't seen much positivity at all on here. But, what's the fun in that, I guess?

Kinda like when BU beats teams they are supposed to beat - there are three times as many threads after losses than these.

Maybe it's just my optimistic nature to be wishful that the bitterness will stop (or slow down).

But your quick defensive post seems to assure me that this won't happen anytime soon.

 

[lake Camelot]

My problem is in the past the board deleted a lot of the negative comments. They kept it under control. I learned how things ran. Now most of the really negative stuff is coming from people that were positive before. Da Coach has kept his comments pretty much under control. I think I know where he stands, but he has only made a couple posts that were really negative.

I know Tornado is not a MOD, but I consider him one of the main people on this site. He hasn't posted anything positive since Jim was let go. I realize he is mad. It is just getting really old and I could sure use some of that deleting negative post at this point.

 

[Braves4Life]

Great post BUBraves2006! There are SO many posters who feel as you do. As you have stated, it is clearly obvious to those who are level headed what is going on. The same thing happened when Molinari was dismissed. In time, this too, shall pass and most of the fickle fans who fell in love with the past coach and the access it brought them will get on board. For many Jimmy Juice is the only drink they have consumed..... and their man crush won't end easily.

 

[Buesch N Chips]

1) So it's dangerous to be negative now, but all the anti-JL rhetoric was OK?

2) Has ANYONE said they wouldn't give the new coach a chance? I am so tired of being told by other people that I won't like the new coach because I don't support the manner in which BU staff is treated its barely worth talking anymore.

3) How many times are we going to have this exact thread?

1) I don't think either is productive.

2) No

3) Forever. That's the way message boards are. Fringe opinions that clash.

 

[Braves4Life]

My problem is in the past the board deleted a lot of the negative comments. They kept it under control.

Tornado is .... one of the main people on this site. He hasn't posted anything positive since Jim was let go. I realize he is mad. It is just getting really old and I could sure use some of that deleting negative post at this point.

AMEN BROTHA!!! :!: :!: lake Camelot is THE TRUTH! :!:

 

[amckillip]

I'm sorry for trying to be positive. Apparently that isn't allowed in the new era of BU hoops or bradleyfans.com.

And you certainly spend a heck of a lot more time reading the boards than I do. But I personally haven't seen much positivity at all on here. But, what's the fun in that, I guess?

Kinda like when BU beats teams they are supposed to beat - there are three times as many threads after losses than these.

Maybe it's just my optimistic nature to be wishful that the bitterness will stop (or slow down).

But your quick defensive post seems to assure me that this won't happen anytime soon.

How is anything I'm saying bitter? I have no personal attachment and have said many times I was more thank OK with him being let go.

Show me one time I posted after a loss to 'pile on.'

I think you'll find you have me very incorrectly pegged. I have been eternally optimistic. I have not said a single thing about about how I think we will be next season or after that. But posters like you, braves4life, and Bradley Brave (I have ZERO problem saying exactly who I am talking about) consistently tell me I am being negative because I think people deserve a certain level of respect when they have given tons to the university.


I challenge any of you (listed or otherwise) to find a post by me saying how bad I think we'll be next year, that I won't like the new coach, or that I had a problem with the fact JL was fired (not the manner in which he was fired).

 

[Buesch N Chips]

We really should be able to rise above all of this. We're the rational ones who remain, remember? The blowhards are gone. Let's try to remain focused.

T, everyone realizes where you stand. We understand your frustration. Some agree with you, some agree to a certain extent, some don't agree at all. Your opinion is valid, as is everyone else's.

Go BU.

 

[Air Petey]

We all know there has been a colossal divide on this board for quite awhile now about the program's direction and decisions that have been made.

This brings me to a simple question:

- Is there going to be a segment of people who aren't going to give the new coach a fair shake just because they thought Jim Les was unfairly dismissed?

I ask this because it seems like those who were on the pro-Les side are so disgruntled now that no matter what decision the administration makes, there will be a faction that is going to discount the hire no matter what.

If it's really true that players and recruits do actually come to message boards, I think that's a dangerous road to go down.

Maybe I'm just trying to be proactive here, but no matter who is on the roster next year (coaches and players), we will all back them and try to start a new chapter in BU basketball in a positive way.

I understand if some of you will always be mad about Les and that's okay, but I hope once we get the pieces in place for 2011-12 and beyond, we can be forward thinkers and not dwell on the past too much here.

As much as it can get annoying at times, I'd much rather have a board that is too "pro-Bradley" with all of the great information we get on here than have a bunch of incessant bickering until some future date when the next coach can truly be evaluated.

Only way I come back is fire the new admin.

 

[Braves4Life]

How is anything I'm saying bitter? I have no personal attachment and have said many times I was more thank OK with him being let go.

Show me one time I posted after a loss to 'pile on.'

I don't think he was referring to you amckillip.

I think you'll find you have me very incorrectly pegged. I have been eternally optimistic. I have not said a single thing about about how I think we will be next season or after that.

You are "eternally pessimistic" about the BU Administration and the direction that they will take the program...... You criticize Glasser and Cross routinely. What effect do you think these negative comments have on recruits and current players and their families who may read this board? Makes me want to come to Bradley. :?

But posters like you, braves4life, and Bradley Brave (I have ZERO problem saying exactly who I am talking about) consistently tell me I am being negative because I think people deserve a certain level of respect when they have given tons to the university.

If the shoe fits...... Besides, calling out names is a viloation of board rules! Oh Moderatorrrrr :lol:.......


I challenge any of you (listed or otherwise) to find a post by me saying how bad I think we'll be next year, that I won't like the new coach, or that I had a problem with the fact JL was fired (not the manner in which he was fired).

You are correct. I don't think you have done that. But see above how I feel your open and blatant negative attitude toward the BU Administration reflects badly on the program and our ability to retain current players and attract recruits. I'm a "lifer" (40+ years) when it comes to being a fan of all things Bradley and Bradley Basketball. I take offense whenanyone who may be a "Johnny-come-lately" criticizes my alma mater with negative intent! :!:

 

[lake Camelot]

Only way I come back is fire the new admin.

Then why are you still on a Bradley board? The only acceptable reason I can think of is you think maybe the admin will go and you can root for Bradley again. Seems like a waste of time though.

 

[BradleyBrave]

Only way I come back is fire the new admin.

That's not very pro-Bradley, is it? :?

Losing is divisive. Winning cures all. I look forward to the time when we can unite again and complain about ISU, SIU, and the rest of the MVC instead of bickering at each other.

 

[amckillip]

You are correct. I don't think you have done that. But see above how I feel your open and blatant negative attitude toward the BU Administration reflects badly on the program and our ability to retain current players and attract recruits. I'm a "lifer" (40+ years) when it comes to being a fan of all things Bradley and Bradley Basketball. I take offense whenanyone who may be a "Johnny-come-lately" criticizes my alma mater with negative intent! :!:

To be completely honest? I couldn't care less how long anyone has been a fan. For me it's been 7 years, for you 40. Does that somehow make your opinion more valid? You have been around longer, I will be around longer (in all likelihood ). Forward looking people could say that my opinion is more valuable... End of the day, I don't care if you have been a fan since 1897, or if you're a freshman in college at BU and have only known of the school for 12 months, each is a fan just the same.

I have been negative about the administration, and backed it up with events that have caused me to be negative in regards to that. I have no problem with anyone saying that, I will own that whole heartedly and I mean the things I say. What I have a problem with is people saying I am never going to like a coach because he's not JL, or saying I think the sky is falling, or that I am saying we will never be good again, I haven't said anything close to those things, but have constantly been told I am.

The recruit angle, however, is absolute bullhockey because the same people playing that card ripped JL up, down and sideways during the season. I simply don't want to hear it.

What cracks me up are the people here calling for positiveness that were negative all season, and many of them, for much longer than that. Those people were allowed to be negative then, why can someone not have wanted JL fired now? Many of those chanting hypocrisy are worse than who they are 'calling out.'

 

[Da Coach]

That's not very pro-Bradley, is it? :?

Losing is divisive. Winning cures all. I look forward to the time when we can unite again and complain about ISU, SIU, and the rest of the MVC instead of bickering at each other.

Wait...there were a lot of fans who weren't going to buy tickets unless JL was fired. And that's their right. But 1 Guy doesn't like the way JL was treated and now he's not fan enough? Lets apply the same standards to all the JL haters.

 

[BradleyBrave]

Wait...there were a lot of fans who weren't going to buy tickets unless JL was fired. And that's their right. But 1 Guy doesn't like the way JL was treated and now he's not fan enough? Lets apply the same standards to all the JL haters.

I never said he wasn't fan enough. I just asked if that was a pro-Bradley thing to do.

It should be noted though, another prominent poster you know quite well said a few days ago -

"degree of sacrifice to give whatever amount IS one of the strongest determining factors in one's fanship".

So, according to some, the stance of giving up your seats might not be viewed as 'pro-Bradley', if they still have the means to do so and simply choose not to. I don't view it that way, and it doesn't sound like you do either. I was merely asking Air Petey what his view was.

I'm not giving mine up. Maybe with the mass exodus that's going to take place, I can even move closer to the court!

Hopefully some day we can all have a drink over this and laugh as we talk about what seed we are in the NCAA Tournament.

 

[Braves4Life]

I'm not giving mine up. Maybe with the mass exodus that's going to take place, I can even move closer to the court!

???To buy when others are despondently selling and to sell when others are avidly buying requires the greatest fortitude??¦ and pays the greatest reward.??? -- Sir John Templeton

 

[BUBraves2006]

What cracks me up are the people here calling for positiveness that were negative all season, and many of them, for much longer than that. Those people were allowed to be negative then, why can someone not have wanted JL fired now? Many of those chanting hypocrisy are worse than who they are 'calling out.'

Not sure who you're referring to, but it had certainly better not be me or BradleyBrave. For the record, I don't think I have ever made one single post about my feelings toward retaining or removing Les. So, direct your bitterness elsewhere.

Whether or not you wanted a change - trust me, I read PLENTY of great arguments on both sides ... what's done is done.

The overall point still is true - I want to be optimistic about the future and the anger towards the administration does nothing but hurt the program. Everything else is water under the bridge now, but if people want to have their feelings hurt because of this, that's really petty.

Supporting Les while he was still the coach (a major faction on here) - great idea ... good for the program, lots of facts to support this
Supporting a change because of a perceived lack of success - valid too, as it was based in other facts
Both of these - people want the best for the program...

Being incredibly negative when we really need to start looking forward, not back, isn't helpful to anyone except for some individual self-esteem boost.

 

[Air Petey]

I never said he wasn't fan enough. I just asked if that was a pro-Bradley thing to do. I was merely asking Air Petey what his view was.

My view is this:

I grew up in Peoria watching BU in the Fieldhouse in the 70's. Went to BU as a "non-traditional" student. Became friends with Dick, Stan and Mo while attending and after BU.

I became good friends with JL through the years because of many reasons. Traveled with the team for some great wins and some losses. I did not agree 100% with every decision that Jim made (Tough having 10,000 assistant coaches in town!).

Firing him AND the way he was fired is VERY wrong. The full story is not out.... and I hope it does not get out for the future of Bradley basketball. This admin needs to go. Everybody is accountable for their actions (even the President of the USA). The Board of Trustees should be getting a buy 2 - get 1 free for the private search firm right now!! I will never forget this.

That is how I feel!!

 

[BradleyBrave]

My view is this:

I grew up in Peoria watching BU in the Fieldhouse in the 70's. Went to BU as a "non-traditional" student. Became friends with Dick, Stan and Mo while attending and after BU.

I became good friends with JL through the years because of many reasons. Traveled with the team for some great wins and some losses. I did not agree 100% with every decision that Jim made (Tough having 10,000 assistant coaches in town!).

Firing him AND the way he was fired is VERY wrong. The full story is not out.... and I hope it does not get out for the future of Bradley basketball. This admin needs to go. Everybody is accountable for their actions (even the President of the USA). The Board of Trustees should be getting a buy 2 - get 1 free for the private search firm right now!! I will never forget this.

That is how I feel!!

Thanks for the thoughtful response Air Petey.