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Recruiting?

bradleybraves1 said:
That was more of a character issue than academic. Bradley cannot afford to bring in anyone of questionable character at this critical juncture of the turnaround process. We saw what happened when Les reached with guys like Williams, Fears, Byucks... Our program is still trying to recover from that fiasco.
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I disagree. those guys you mentioned did not hurt Bradley significantly at all. 2 of them, DeAaron Williams and Dwight Buycks, were never even admitted and never spent a day at Bradley, and their problems were never character issues at all. Fears left before he was ever eligible to play, and although he might have had some character issues if he had stayed, there was never any significant character issues that hurt Bradley in any way.
Although I agree that Bradley doesn't need character issues now, I think it is totally wrong to bring up Jim Les, which too many people always find convenient whether it applies or not. Jim Les no more character issues than any school in the MVC, and they were minor compared to many of the other schools. And none of those names were significant character issues, either.
 
ph said:
That's somewhat interesting about credits. When I went to ICC, there was a rule of thumb that if you were not going to a school with an established credit transfer (ICC to BU, ISU, UIUC.. was already established) then you want an associates degree because the associates essentially results in all credits transferring.
Due to NCAA rules in the past few years, it sounds like jucos must now get their associates . I would think any juco transfer with an associates would have at least 60 credits at Bradley (But I guess a major does need a certain number of specific credits so it makes a change in major more difficult when you consider graduation)
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Correct. NCAA rules have changed. Juco transfers must now meet new guidelines. Not only does the transfer have to meet the new schools requirements they must also meet NCAA requirements. On a two year transfer I think a minimum of 48 (out of 64 hours when you have an Associates) hours must be accepted AND 40% of those hours must go towards your declared major at your new school. 60% must go toward your major if you transfered after going to school the previous 3 years. If you are a non qualifer out of high school then you must have your associates to continue on at D1.

I have pointed this out here in the past. Not having a PE major does limit Bradley in recruiting certain players. If a potential recruit has declared PE as his major at a Juco, and has taken a lot of courses towards that degree, Bradley will not accept those hours. Well, they could accept him as a student (paying his own way) and make him change his major, but he would be immediately ineligible as an athlete until he caught up and met the 40-60% requirement.
 
Da Coach said:
I disagree. those guys you mentioned did not hurt Bradley significantly at all. 2 of them, DeAaron Williams and Dwight Buycks, were never even admitted and never spent a day at Bradley, and their problems were never character issues at all. Fears left before he was ever eligible to play, and although he might have had some character issues if he had stayed, there was never any significant character issues that hurt Bradley in any way.
Although I agree that Bradley doesn't need character issues now, I think it is totally wrong to bring up Jim Les, which too many people always find convenient whether it applies or not. Jim Les no more character issues than any school in the MVC, and they were minor compared to many of the other schools. And none of those names were significant character issues, either.
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They didn't hurt Bradley from a character standpoint, but they did occupy a scholarship slot that could have been used for another person. Again, I am not against a coach using a gamble scholarship, just think JL got in a situation in which he used too many at the same time or within a short time frame.
 
Da Coach said:
I disagree. those guys you mentioned did not hurt Bradley significantly at all. 2 of them, DeAaron Williams and Dwight Buycks, were never even admitted and never spent a day at Bradley, and their problems were never character issues at all. Fears left before he was ever eligible to play, and although he might have had some character issues if he had stayed, there was never any significant character issues that hurt Bradley in any way.
Although I agree that Bradley doesn't need character issues now, I think it is totally wrong to bring up Jim Les, which too many people always find convenient whether it applies or not. Jim Les no more character issues than any school in the MVC, and they were minor compared to many of the other schools. And none of those names were significant character issues, either.
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I probably disagree with Da Coach on some things about Jim Les but on this I agree with him. JL recruited good kids and when there was a problem he dealt with it. This may anger some people but Bradley players have had fewer and less serious behavior issues over the years than many Division I programs and there is nothing wrong with saying it. I would think all Bradley fans would be proud of that.
 
78Brave said:
I probably disagree with Da Coach on some things about Jim Les but on this I agree with him. JL recruited good kids and when there was a problem he dealt with it. This may anger some people but Bradley players have had fewer and less serious behavior issues over the years than many Division I programs and there is nothing wrong with saying it. I would think all Bradley fans would be proud of that.
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78Brave said:
...JL recruited good kids and when there was a problem he dealt with it. This may anger some people but Bradley players have had fewer and less serious behavior issues over the years than many Division I programs and there is nothing wrong with saying it. I would think all Bradley fans would be proud of that.
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Sorry. It was not my intent to disparage Jim Les. I agree that Jim had good kids while at Bradley. What I meant was that those three kids were certainly not stellar characters with regards to the type of kid Les usually recruited... And I think it came back to bite him in the behind. I'm of the opinion that losing those three kids from that class set BU back in a major way that caused Les' final 3-year slide and contributed to the lack of depth that made it impossible to overcome injury... And Jim, ultimately, paid the ultimate price for this mistake.
 
No reason to apologize. I think Jim Les did some good things at Bradley - raising money, bringing increased enthusiasm and loyalty, graduating players who didn't get in much trouble. I just don't agree there were major character issues. Actually I think that was one of the strongest points in his favor. Ultimately though he just didn't win enough games in my opinion. The reasons for that are the subject of some dispute and I think reasonable people can disagree.
 
78Brave said:
No reason to apologize. I think Jim Les did some good things at Bradley - raising money, bringing increased enthusiasm and loyalty, graduating players who didn't get in much trouble. I just don't agree there were major character issues. Actually I think that was one of the strongest points in his favor. Ultimately though he just didn't win enough games in my opinion. The reasons for that are the subject of some dispute and I think reasonable people can disagree.
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Same can be said for Coach Mo. One thing we have had at BU have been coaches beyond reproach when it comes to role models IMO.

Now back to the recruits! In all honesty I put a little flame to this thread to see who would bite. I'm so far out of our inside recruiting news I just wanted to glean a little knowledge and as always I did learn a few things from this thread. So thanks! :)
 
Da Coach said:
It's my guess there will be 2 to 3, and possibly more additional recruits this spring, and they will be high quality kids who will contribute immediately. There have been recruits at each of the last couple games, and others who have visited the campus and facilities when there wasn't a game to attend. In some cases, the coaches are open about the recruits we are pursuing, but for now they are preferring to be candid and secretive until the scholarship situation is resolved.
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If a few spots open up, I'd like to see a big man and Buovac. If a third scholly is available, I'd love to have Brzoja. That may be a longshot, but we could almost guarantee him immediate playing time. Along with Bell and Pickett, thus would be a huge recruiting class for Geno.
 
PeoriaLou said:
If a few spots open up, I'd like to see a big man and Buovac. If a third scholly is available, I'd love to have Brzoja. That may be a longshot, but we could almost guarantee him immediate playing time. Along with Bell and Pickett, thus would be a huge recruiting class for Geno.
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I think, like me, you will be very pleased with Bradley's recruiting class. ;)
 
PeoriaLou said:
If a few spots open up, I'd like to see a big man and Buovac. If a third scholly is available, I'd love to have Brzoja. That may be a longshot, but we could almost guarantee him immediate playing time. Along with Bell and Pickett, thus would be a huge recruiting class for Geno.
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Who's this Buovac? Never heard of him on this site before.
I would take Brzoja as our 1st priority. Without a pure shooter, we will struggle to get out of the cellar next year again. And whatever shooter we get, he will likely need a year in the Valley before hitting stride.
 
LittleBrave said:
Who's this Buovac? Never heard of him on this site before.
I would take Brzoja as our 1st priority. Without a pure shooter, we will struggle to get out of the cellar next year again. And whatever shooter we get, he will likely need a year in the Valley before hitting stride.
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Brzoja is considered the better all around player but Buovac is actually considered the better pure shooter of the two.

http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=20236
 
LittleBrave said:
Who's this Buovac? Never heard of him on this site before.
I would take Brzoja as our 1st priority. Without a pure shooter, we will struggle to get out of the cellar next year again. And whatever shooter we get, he will likely need a year in the Valley before hitting stride.
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You need to check our recruiting board more often-
We've had this thread about 2012 recruit Matej Buovac of La Lumirere prep school for over a month-
http://www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=20236

And this one about Mizlav Brzoja for over a month, too. He is a 2012 recruit from Trader's Point Christian Academy--
http://www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=20255

Both are good shooters and very good passers, though I disagree and think Mizlav may be the better pure shooter and most ready to have immediate impact. He is a very strong and mature kid, despite just turning 18 last month.
I have heard our coaches think Mizlav Brzoja is the better shooter, too.
 
Da Coach said:
You need to check our recruiting board more often-
We've had this thread about 2012 recruit Matej Buovac of La Lumirere prep school for over a month-
http://www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=20236

And this one about Mizlav Brzoja for over a month, too. He is a 2012 recruit from Trader's Point Christian Academy--
http://www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=20255

Both are good shooters and very good passers, though I disagree and think Mizlav may be the better pure shooter and most ready to have immediate impact. He is a very strong and mature kid, despite just turning 18 last month.
I have heard our coaches think Mizlav Brzoja is the better shooter, too.
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No doubt Brzoja would have a much bigger impact and would be a bigger "get" for sure. He is pretty elite from what I hear/know. Buovec would be a bit more of a "specialist".

I heard from two guys who said Buovec is a better shooter in the pure, three-point shooting contest type of way. He also shot a higher percentage in the U18 Championships but I'm sure they are both good shooters.

I don't think there is any question Brzoja is the superior player. The two guys have played together both on the U18 team and for Dubrava Zagreb in Croatia's A2 league.
 
I suspect things are quiet on the Hilltop re future recruits cause BU is at its limit right now and out of deference to the players who have scholarships, and may not end up here next season. Wouldn't it be better to keep it relatiely low key and quiet especially during the season.

I would also think it prudent for coaching staff to go real public about going after bigger, better players in the future during a season so as to not crimp the season/career/effort of those that are here now and will still be in the future, albeit in possibly lessor roles or with much more competition for PT.

GF trying to keep his current team in the present as much as possible?
 
Hello Newman said:
No doubt Brzoja would have a much bigger impact and would be a bigger "get" for sure. He is pretty elite from what I hear/know. Buovec would be a bit more of a "specialist"....
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you seem knowledgable on this...and I hope we land some of the better players from those prep schools...but

what prep school kids from La Lumiere or Traders Point have gone on to star or at least be impact players at the D-I level?

and then - given a plethora of other mid-west prep schools like Culver Academy, Brehm Prep, Decatur Christian, BTMA....can you cite any players who have had big impacts in college - at least enough to help teams get better?
 
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