• Welcome to BradleyFans.com! Visitors are welcome, but we encourage you to sign up and register as a member. It's free and takes only a few seconds. Just click on the link to Register at the top right of the page, and follow instructions. If you have any problems or questions, click on the link at the bottom right of the page to Contact Us.

Pantagraph article explains why Illinois lost to Bradley

amckillip said:
Dude, seriously, please re-read my post, think about it, then edit your post. I didn't comment about the situation at all in regards to what should be printed, why act as if I did?

I said you making gross generalizations like and combative statements like "so every team that gets upset has to write that the other team was the better team?" is what causes people to react the way the do. I didn't say you made Tornado take a defensive position. I said, and I quote, "It's statements in this fashion that require Pro-JL guys like Tornado to take a defensive stance."
Click to expand...


here's the thing....you responded to my response of Shaun...he thought they should write that Bradley was the better team....how many sportswriter will write it that way? The writer wrote that Illinois let the game slip away.....I don't have a problem with it that's all.If he would have wrote the BU was the better team I wouldn't have cared either......

And regarding the gross generalization...I knew the answer to it before I asked. ..It just seems because it's a BU board we sometimes lack objectivity


My opinion is that more is made out of this article than is really there...that's all.
 
shaunguth said:
You're right.....Bradley's win had nothing to do with Bradley playing better or coaching better. It was completely in the hands of the mighty Illini, who thankfully allowed us to win the game.
Click to expand...

I have to admit that when I called my Illini friend after the game, I, 'tongue-in-cheek', said "thanks for letting us win this game" after taking my rightful BRAGGING RIGHTS. He knew and I knew that Bradley was the better team that night, it's what makes games fun to watch. And I told him my thanks were really for how much this game could mean to Bradley come Selection Sunday, because I think Illinois has a very good team and could win the B10 if not finish in the top 3. Now what Bradley needs to do is put together a winning streak, rather than just 2-3 in a row, and we'll be for real, we've done that in the past, so let's just do it.
 
Had BU lost then they could have said how they let this game slip away because Bradley had the lead for most of the game, in fact BU let the last game these teams played get away from them as they should have won that game in Hoffman estates, these are the main reasons why illinois chooses not to play BU because they are afraid of the results, funny how all of a sudden the excuses keep getting weaker. Just admit Bradley was the better team on the floor that night, end of story.
 
I relish the effect I appear to have that causes people to display such a reaction to a few simple words and opinions...
but when I see or greet the coaches and players, they know who their biggest fan is.....
 
Simple explanation as to why Illinois lost to Bradley.......Bradley scored more points than Illinois did during the game. :p

For one night, for one game, BU was the better team than Illinois, period.

Nothing else can be inferred from the game. Speculating on why Illinois didn't score more points than BU that night is just speculation, and, reflects a writer's personal bias.

Everyone who saw the game live, on tv, on PC/DVD is free to decide if BU was the better team that night because of BU's players, their coaching, their execution, their desire, or, Illinois' "fatigue", over looking the game, their stupor from letting Utah beat them, other reasons ad naseum

Ignore the Major/Mid Major BS. In the era of reduced rosters, availability of players from around the world, talent leaving big colleges early for the NBA, this designation can not automatically infer talent/ability between teams anymore.

BU players outplayed their Illini counterparts for most of the game and then down the stretch. To suggest any external reason for this does a disservice to the BU players who rose to the occassion. Illini players' tears after the game suggested BU beat UI, not that UI lost the game...

At the end of the season, there can be more reflection as to which team could beat the other in a rematch...or better yet a rematch in the NCAA's....
 
lefty said:
I think you can read into any article what you want....my word I don't see what the big deal is.

MM said there should be an investigation ifthe Illin don't win by 25.....if Illinois played like they did the second half of clemson they would have won both...they didn't....they fell asleep, played awful, etc....doesn't make any difference. They didn't play well enough to beat Utah or BU in Vegas
Click to expand...

Wow I'm surprised that MM has not reacted to this yet??? I'd have to bet that there was a bit of sarcasm from MM and taking this out of content. We were better period and until they play us again we have bragging rights. To belittle it is just pure nonsense.
 
The Illini should be thanking Arizona for letting that one slip away in 2005.

The Illini should be thanking Clemson for letting that one slip away the other night.

LOL!
 
lefty said:
MM said there should be an investigation ifthe Illin don't win by 25....
Click to expand...

SFP said:
Wow I'm surprised that MM has not reacted to this yet??? I'd have to bet that there was a bit of sarcasm from MM and taking this out of content. We were better period and until they play us again we have bragging rights. To belittle it is just pure nonsense.
Click to expand...

Sorry SFP, Lefty got me right. I did say if UIUC couldn't beat Utah by 25 there should be an investigation. I still don't know how they lost that one.
 
tornado said:
I relish the effect I appear to have that causes people to display such a reaction to a few simple words and opinions...
but when I see or greet the coaches and players, they know who their biggest fan is.....
Click to expand...

Yes, their parents.
 
tornado said:
I relish the effect I appear to have that causes people to display such a reaction to a few simple words and opinions...
but when I see or greet the coaches and players, they know who their biggest fan is.....
Click to expand...

...
 
Da Coach said:
So you don't think that writers for the Big schools don't have a bit of a bias and a dismissive attitude toward "midmajor"? I do, and IMO, it's apparent with those comments.

Come on- statements like the Illini "fell asleep and let Utah win the game" is downright insulting and comical! It suggests that Utah did nothing to deserve to win the game, and it was a gift from the more potent Illini because they simply "fell asleep"! The same is true with the dismissive comments about Bradley winning as- "Illinois let another one slip away".

I don't think it's just me having a thin skin.
If it's perfectly OK to dismiss a loss to a "lesser team" as easily as Tupper does, then I don't want to hear the minions of fans here complain (like I am sure they will endlessly) when and if Bradley loses a game to a team they should beat.
Click to expand...

I would agree with you except isn't the Pantagraph a Bloomington, IL newspaper? Is this guy a writer for the Illini? If so, then definately agreed unless he meant that they had a lead but did not do a good enough job to protect it, which may not necessarily be dismissing Bradley as a "lesser" team.
 
TheHeemyMonster said:
I see nothing wrong with these comments at all. Illinois probably is a better team and if these two teams played 100 times, I could see the illini taking 70 of them. Don't get so defensive when people have an opinion and dont believe that Bradley isnt a top 25 team like some people on this board probably think...
Click to expand...

But 70 out of a 100 would probably not be good enough for the BCS crowd who think it's their God-given right to win 100 out of 100!
 
MacabreMob said:
The Illini should be thanking Arizona for letting that one slip away in 2005. IMO

The Illini should be thanking Clemson for letting that one slip away the other night.

LOL!
Click to expand...


Actually I kind of agree on both counts....although Williams outplayed everyone those last 3 minutes of the AZ game...

But still both AZ and Clemson let those games slip away
 
But Lefty, that's not how Mark Tupper described the Illinois win over Clemson. No where in his articles does he lay the blame on Clamson for "letting the game slip away", or that Clemson "fell asleep" and "let Illinois win the game".
Instead, he uses highly complimentary terms for the Illini comeback like-

the greatest comeback in Illini basketball history....

Illinois came from 23 down to fight past 18th-ranked Clemson 76-74....

I can’t tell you in strong enough terms how thoroughly Illinois underwent a personality transplant in the second half....

Instead of meek, they were confident....

Instead of slow, they were quick....

Instead of passive, they were aggressive....

Instead of freshmen, Brandon Paul and D.J. Richardson looked like experienced upperclassmen....

It was a stunning victory that came after consecutive losses to Utah and Bradley....

I felt like we were watching this team grow up....

it was a whale of a game....

http://www.herald-review.com/app/blogs/marktupper/?p=717

So it is not just the way Mark Tupper likes to describe a game. He is clearly one sided in his descriptions of these 2 games. If any writer is unfairly biased, inconsistent, or hypocritical, why shouldn't people here have the right to point it out. Goodness knows there are enough people who jump on a few Bradley fans here every time they think they perceive a slight bias or inconsistency.:-P
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top