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Osiris Eldridge going in the 2nd round of the draft?

tornado

tornado

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it is being reported that he's not even going to any more open workouts because he now had a deal and a promise to be taken in the 2nd round....

"Eldridge passes on group workouts - Jun 9, 2010 (by Mike Allen)
We previously reported that Osiris Eldridge (6'3''-G-88, agency: N.E.T.) had
received a 2nd round promise.

Although the agent denies a deal, Eldridge was curiously absent during the
Minnesota group workout and will not participate in the New Jersey group
workout.

According to Hoopshype, Eldridge has visited or will visit Detroit, Chicago,
Phoenix, and Portland.

The thought is that Eldridge does in fact have a deal, and his agent doesn't
want to take a risk in front of 30 NBA teams.

As attractive as the group workout appear, they do come with risk. It's
almost a make or break proposition.

We haven't been able to pinpoint the exact promise, but based on workouts,
we see possibilities at 36, 44, 46, and 50."
 
tornado said:
it is being reported that he's not even going to any more open workouts because he now had a deal and a promise to be taken in the 2nd round....

"Eldridge passes on group workouts - Jun 9, 2010 (by Mike Allen)
We previously reported that Osiris Eldridge (6'3''-G-88, agency: N.E.T.) had
received a 2nd round promise.

Although the agent denies a deal, Eldridge was curiously absent during the
Minnesota group workout and will not participate in the New Jersey group
workout.

According to Hoopshype, Eldridge has visited or will visit Detroit, Chicago,
Phoenix, and Portland.

The thought is that Eldridge does in fact have a deal, and his agent doesn't
want to take a risk in front of 30 NBA teams.

As attractive as the group workout appear, they do come with risk. It's
almost a make or break proposition.

We haven't been able to pinpoint the exact promise, but based on workouts,
we see possibilities at 36, 44, 46, and 50."
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Believe it when I see it...
 
Teams draft mistakes all the time, he is a huge gamble for anyone because he is not a point guard and not a good enough shooting guard for the NBA.
 
real fan said:
Teams draft mistakes all the time, he is a huge gamble for anyone because he is not a point guard and not a good enough shooting guard for the NBA.
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Agreed on this. I don't see him doing anything at all. His shooting percentage was not good, he isn't good off the ball, his D is weak. Not NBA-caliber, above average MVC, but not even great in that regard.
 
amckillip said:
Believe it when I see it...
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Me too! I thought he had a chance after last season but it seems he did not do the extra work necessary to get there and I'd be real surprised if a GM would take that chance. To make it in the NBA and especially if you are under sized you need to have a ton of desire and show it at everything you do.
 
Since most second rounders rarely make the team I think teams are willing to take a chance on a player that is an athletic talent..... which King O is. On the right team with the right motivation he's got a chance.

That said, I'd be surprised if he makes any NBA team next year.
 
HA HA HA!!!!!!

That is truly the funniest thing I have read in a while. Did you get that from The Onion? Or SportsPickle.com? There is no feasible way that is from a reputable news source.

He is not even mentioned as a PROSPECT on most draft boards...not even in the top 100 (meaning there would be 40 undrafted players ranked higher than him). He will play a few years in the D-League, realize he has no shot to play in the League, and go overseas. If he was smart, he would drop out of these draft camps altogether and sign a contract in Turkey or Greece for some nice money. Nothing wrong with that...look at how many good BU players are finding success overseas.

In other news, Sam Singh also hasn't attended any draft camps. I wonder if he has a 2nd round promise too?? (Love ya Sam).
 
amckillip said:
Agreed on this. I don't see him doing anything at all. His shooting percentage was not good, he isn't good off the ball, his D is weak. Not NBA-caliber, above average MVC, but not even great in that regard.
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Agree with most of your post but not on his defense. His on the ball defense is really good. Off the ball above average because of his athleticism. He can recover so quickly. The myth that he is weak defensively has to be bias driven. I somewhat agree with other views on his shooting ability. Just my opinion on watching him closely for four years.
 
I personally think the guy was a very good player and if he were in a Bradley uniform and put up the numbers he put up every Bradley fan would be praising OE. And many would be clamoring for him to be an NBA player. All you have to do is look at his 4 year numbers, very few BU players did what he did over 4 years.

Regardless, I would be shocked that any NBA team would drop a draft pick on a guy who they can get as a free agent. Or I guess I should say I can not see how he is a must get player. He is not dime a dozen but he is not worth a pick. A 2nd round pick needs to be on a need or on a longer term project.

And if he is in demand he would be better off as a free agent and pick his situation rather then being drafted.
 
houstontxbrave said:
I personally think the guy was a very good player and if he were in a Bradley uniform and put up the numbers he put up every Bradley fan would be praising OE. And many would be clamoring for him to be an NBA player. All you have to do is look at his 4 year numbers, very few BU players did what he did over 4 years.
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Have to agree completely w/ your assessment of OE and the fact that if he had been at BU we would all be saying how we knew he was that good and could easily be a 2nd round pick-in & in all honesty many (if they would be willing to admit it) would think he should have been a 1st round pick.

I, for one, have always thought the talent level was there and it was just a case of does OE really want to put out the work that it takes to get to the NBA. Look at these NBA rosters and see how many high school all americans from the last 8 years are on those rosters. (reason I said 8 years is due to 4 years of college) The starters on most NBA teams are names that we knew in college but most of the subs are guys that very few heard of and many come from the smaller schools. This happens because these kids want to play at the next level and are willing to work hard and, also realize, they can play if they don't mind coming off the bench.
 
Osiris scored 1838 points on 1547 shots while at ISU...(1.188 pts/shot, and 0.84 shots required per point scored)

but just for the sake of argument, let's compare him to Sammy Maniscalco and Andrew Warren who have completed only 3 years at BU - and we'll take OE's 3-year numbers... 1325 points on 1115 shots (1.188 pts/shot, and 0.84 shots required per point scored)

Here's what our guys have...
Sammy 1152 pts on 835 shots (1.380 pts/shot and and 0.72 shots required per point scored)
Andrew 1019 pts on 755 shots (1.35 pts/shot and and 0.74 shots required per point scored)

Thus it is overwhelmingly clear that OE's efficiency is way less than many players,
and he gets his impressive point totals from the sheer volume of shots launched.

Just as a last stat...here are the career scoring numbers that I project Sammy and Andrew - two of OE's contemporaries - who over their careers have played FAR superrior talent and opponents, would have if they launched the same number of shots in their careers as King O...

Sammy - 2135
Andrew - 2088
both numbers would place Sammy & Andrew in 3rd place overall in career scoring at BRADLEY ...
BUT...both figures would place our guys breathing right down Doug Collins' neck as ISU's All Time leading scorer....(Collins had 2240, nobody else at ISU had more than 1962, and nobody had more than 1736 since ISU has actually been playing as a real Division I big school against D-I opponents.

So I agree that Osiris Eldridge is among ISU's all time best, and no doubt he'd have been a good player had he been at Bradley as well...but I am NOT convinced he is better than a couple guys we have on our roster right now!!
 
tornado said:
So I agree that Osiris Eldridge is among ISU's all time best, and no doubt he'd have been a good player had he been at Bradley as well...but I am NOT convinced he is better than a couple guys we have on our roster right now!!
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And yet the past couple years they kicked our rears and we finished behind them in the MVC.....hmmmmm whats the problem? Coaching.....recruiting.....dumb luck?
 
this is not true...
ISU beat us twice this year, but in each of the preceding two years we held our own with them and even outplayed them...
and over a THREE year span before that........from the 2nd half of the 2004-2005 season thru the latter half of the 2007-2008 we beat them every time we played them..
SIX times in a row......and trust me....

OE is lucky to escape his 4-year MVC career with a .500 (4-4) record vs. Bradley
 
tornado said:
Osiris scored 1838 points on 1547 shots while at ISU...(1.188 pts/shot, and 0.84 shots required per point scored)

but just for the sake of argument, let's compare him to Sammy Maniscalco and Andrew Warren who have completed only 3 years at BU - and we'll take OE's 3-year numbers... 1325 points on 1115 shots (1.188 pts/shot, and 0.84 shots required per point scored)

Here's what our guys have...
Sammy 1152 pts on 835 shots (1.380 pts/shot and and 0.72 shots required per point scored)
Andrew 1019 pts on 755 shots (1.35 pts/shot and and 0.74 shots required per point scored)

Thus it is overwhelmingly clear that OE's efficiency is way less than many players,
and he gets his impressive point totals from the sheer volume of shots launched.

Just as a last stat...here are the career scoring numbers that I project Sammy and Andrew - two of OE's contemporaries - who over their careers have played FAR superrior talent and opponents, would have if they launched the same number of shots in their careers as King O...

Sammy - 2135
Andrew - 2088
both numbers would place Sammy & Andrew in 3rd place overall in career scoring at BRADLEY ...
BUT...both figures would place our guys breathing right down Doug Collins' neck as ISU's All Time leading scorer....(Collins had 2240, nobody else at ISU had more than 1962, and nobody had more than 1736 since ISU has actually been playing as a real Division I big school against D-I opponents.

So I agree that Osiris Eldridge is among ISU's all time best, and no doubt he'd have been a good player had he been at Bradley as well...but I am NOT convinced he is better than a couple guys we have on our roster right now!!
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Ok I am going to bite on this. Your really just looking at the fact OE shot a lot and if SM or Warren got to shoot that much they would be near what Collins did at ISU.

I am going to grant to you OE shot a lot both from 3 and from the field and his overall %'s are not very good.

But I like to look at a guy overall not just shots taken, made or missed. Players who shoot a lot tend to miss a lot, but regardless.

He had for a career

681 rebounds - 5.1 per game
83 assist - 2.04 per game
181 steals - 1.36 per game
298-397 from the free throw line - 75%
Started 112 of a possible 133 with 3 missed starts after his Freshman season.

10 - all defensive team and most outstanding defensive player

09 - all mvc tourney & most outstanding player
1st team all conference and defensive team

08 1st team all conference and runner up for mvp

07 freshman of the year.

I have a feeling if a graduating BU player put up both the numbers and recognitions that OE did in his career, you would be leading the charge on how magical his career at BU was. I have read you alot on here and you do make a lot of very valid arguements but in this situation his game, numbers and career speak for themselves. He would have been if in a Bradley uniform considered one of the best to have ever put one on.
 
There is no argument from me that OE was a real good MVC player but is he NBA ready, is the question. What I have seen from him probably not. Hey POB was not ready and some probably say he still is not ready. The NBA is just a different beast and only the best who have the drive can make it. I just never saw that drive from him and at his size there is just a ton of talent that he'll have to over come. In reality how many Valley players ever make it to the NBA. Very few do and those are the very special players.
 
and I acknowledged that but it is a pretty foregone conclusion that King O did not improve much from his sophomore season onward towards his senior season and at times his play and his ballhogging and shot hogging cost them...

The only real BCS-opponent/quality game they played in the last 75% of King O's career was the NIT game against K-State, where Osiris hogged all the shots for the cameras, missed 17 of 23, and hurt them badly in OT...
I have documented elsewhere that in the final 3 minutes of games plus OT's (when it matters...) OE's shooting pct was way under 20%..
http://www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=166295&postcount=25
 
tornado said:
and I acknowledged that but it is a pretty foregone conclusion that King O did not improve much from his sophomore season onward towards his senior season and at times his play and his ballhogging and shot hogging cost them...

The only real BCS-opponent/quality game they played in the last 75% of King O's career was the NIT game against K-State, where Osiris hogged all the shots for the cameras, missed 17 of 23, and hurt them badly in OT...
I have documented elsewhere that in the final 3 minutes of games plus OT's (when it matters...) OE's shooting pct was way under 20%..
http://www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=166295&postcount=25
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I am just stratching my head now, if he did NOT improve much from his sophomore season to his senior season then why in the world did he get voted to 2 defensive all valley teams, 2 all valley conference teams, 2 first team all conference selections and was the voted overall best defender in the Valley in that same Sophomore to Senior seasons?

Please put aside the shooting in certain games or even overall and look at the body of work from baseline to baseline.

After everything I quoted for his career you still want to use shots, missed shots and % in the last minutes of a game as reasons to argue his career. The man put up extremely good numbers in his basketball career. Yes ISU did not always play big time competition but that is not got anything to do with OE. You play who you are dealt.

And my opinion, games are 40 minutes long and what happens at the 14 minute mark in the first is as important as what occurs with 2 minutes left. You take bad shots at the 14 minute mark can be just as hurtful as something deeper in the game. The ones in the last minutes are just more maginfied.
 
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