MacabreMob
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Without full transparency, corruption and fraud is guaranteed.
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NET is nuts
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Tommy
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I have all but given up trying to figure out the NET formula for determining teams to qualify for the NCAA tournament. Makes no sense to me. Old enough to remember the conference championship was the goal every year. So if you won your conference you earned the right to have the conference tournament at your home court. I know it is all about bringing in the most dollars, but that atmosphere was electric when Hawkins and company played for the right to be in the NCAA tournament. Most likely will never see that again but the memories are still so vivid. 
Canton BU fan
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With full transparency, all the corruption and fraud would be visible.
Maybe when Elon is done with doge........
Tommy
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Nicely played.
. Wow cool. When I was in school I didn’t mind going to the NIT because BU would get more home games. Obviously the NCAA is better but the games were funI have all but given up trying to figure out the NET formula for determining teams to qualify for the NCAA tournament. Makes no sense to me. Old enough to remember the conference championship was the goal every year. So if you won your conference you earned the right to have the conference tournament at your home court. I know it is all about bringing in the most dollars, but that atmosphere was electric when Hawkins and company played for the right to be in the NCAA tournament. Most likely will never see that again but the memories are still so vivid.
I was curious and looked today at the comparison between RPI and NET rankings. I think it is nuts that Drake at 25-3 has a NET of 60 while several BIG conference schools such as PIT(59) at 16-13, Northwestern(54) at 16-13, Texas(46) at 16-13, Cincinnati(40) at 17-12, etc. are ranked higher than Drake. Some of these schools have the same number of quad 1 wins as Drake, the major difference is that they have 10 chances to get a win, where Drake only had 1. Meanwhile the RPI has Drake at 32, which I think is a more accurate number based on their schedule and wins. For example RPI has Cincinnati at 71, PITT at 87, while Bradley is ranked right at 50 in the RPI. I understand that there is no perfect way to measure schools for a tournament, but NET awards schools because of what conference they are in, and punishes mid-major schools the same way. It is very frustrating. There should be a limit on number of schools in the tournament from any one conference.
I know there's a lot of opposition to expanding the NCAA Tournament - but MOST of it comes form the big boys in the Power-5 realm, who
simply do NOT, under any circumstances, want any additional chance that some midmajor would get into the tournament and upset them.
But that's exactly what a tournament is all about - that every team can win and advance and may the best team win!
Note that every state, Illinois for example, they run a massive statewide championship tournament - involving nearly 750 teams...
and they get it all done inside of 3 or four weeks - the same span that the current NCAA Tourney runs...
and it's immensely popular and revenue-producing.
So why not seed or give byes - or whatever it takes to be fair, but include all the best teams - even the ones form smaller conferences,
which we have seen year in and year out DO knock off the higher seeds (like Butler, Wichita, Loyola...) and create the best storylines.
Absolutely. That is why the NCAA and the big conferences devised it to replace the RPI. They were tired of seeing mid-major conferences get multiple bids, "stealing" money away from the big boys, and getting upset in the tournament by mid-majors.
Currently, 14 of the 16 SEC teams have NET ranking better than the top MVC team (Drake at #60). - https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings
14th place Oklahoma of the SEC has an NET of 53. They are 17-12, have lost 8 of their last 9 games.
They are likely to lose their last 2 scheduled games (vs. # 14 Missouri and at Texas) and get knocked out quickly in the SEC Tournament and end up 17-15. And they will still likely end up with a better NET than Drake because of how the formula rewards teams in major conferences.
Yup, can’t wait for the day that a team with a losing record happens to catch fire & catch some breaks and makes it to the Final Four.
if it is a Power-5 team that does it, they’ll say “look, we told you so, we should give even more bids to Power-5 schools with losing records”
but if a midmajor does it, they’ll say “ OMG, this is a farce & a travesty! It should have never been allowed to happen. We need new rules to prohibit any mid-major from ever doing such a thing again. Give more bids to sub-.500 Power-5 teams!
if it is a Power-5 team that does it, they’ll say “look, we told you so, we should give even more bids to Power-5 schools with losing records”
but if a midmajor does it, they’ll say “ OMG, this is a farce & a travesty! It should have never been allowed to happen. We need new rules to prohibit any mid-major from ever doing such a thing again. Give more bids to sub-.500 Power-5 teams!
Stryker
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I think the corruption will show itself eventually, and it is starting to happen IMO. I was watching CBS yesterday and they threw up the "last four in, 1st four out, next four out" list. Out of the 12 teams listed, only one, (SMU) was a mid-major. Basically they were saying only one mid-major team is on the bubble. That is CRAZY.
SMU is in the ACC now, so I don't know that they qualify as a mid-major.
Stryker
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Yeah never mind. So they showed a graphic with 0 mid or low major teams on the bubble. That is absolutely insane. It is basically saying only power conference teams can get an at large.
Here is the current bracketology from ESPN, last updated Friday, 2/28. It will probably be updated again soon - https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/s...logy-2025-march-madness-men-field-predictions
ESPN's Joe Lunardi still had Oklahoma in as one of the "Last Four In", despite being in 14th place in the SEC with a conference record of 4-12 (17-12 overall), and having lost 8 of their last 9 games!
Texas, also one of Lunardi's "Last Four In" is the 13th place team in the SEC with a conference record of 5-13. And Ohio State, another of his "Last Four In' has a record of 16-13, and 8-10 in the Big Ten. What a joke.
Drake is a 12 seed.
And from CBS Sports- https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/bracketology/
CBS's Jerry Palm has a slightly different bracket. He has Oklahoma safely in as an 11 seed. :roll:
ESPN's Joe Lunardi still had Oklahoma in as one of the "Last Four In", despite being in 14th place in the SEC with a conference record of 4-12 (17-12 overall), and having lost 8 of their last 9 games!
Texas, also one of Lunardi's "Last Four In" is the 13th place team in the SEC with a conference record of 5-13. And Ohio State, another of his "Last Four In' has a record of 16-13, and 8-10 in the Big Ten. What a joke.
Drake is a 12 seed.
And from CBS Sports- https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/bracketology/
CBS's Jerry Palm has a slightly different bracket. He has Oklahoma safely in as an 11 seed. :roll:
LittleBrave
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Just so sad. What justification will the committee spew for Drake if they end up 27-4, 6-1 vs Q1/Q2 teams, 10-0 in non-conf, having one of best road records in the country, and champs of the 9th best conference? Well, I know they'll come up with something, and their 0-2 record the past 2 seasons in the Big Dance doesn't help their case, even tho it's a totally different team and coaching staff. smh
LittleBrave
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With that sad, ALL disappointment for Drake will vanish should they reach 4 losses due to our BRAVES this weekend!
Joe Lunardi's bracket from yesterday - https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/s...logy-2025-march-madness-men-field-predictions