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NCAA announces Tournament will be held without fans
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Tommy
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Haha haha! I like it!
Scoretable
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Will hazmat suits match school colors? Smiling Emoji
bradleyfan124
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I agree!!! And when they come back after shutting everything down the virus will still be out there. You cant stop living and go into hybernation
Originally posted by BRAVE82 View Post
Let's just shut down the entire country. Nobody go anywhere, no work, no school, don't leave your house. Just eat the bark off the trees in your yard. Drink the rainwater that collects in your driveway. Nobody overreact or anything. Over 56,000 people die from the flu in the US every year (between 300,000-600,000 globally). We will go into a recession if this panic continues.
Good morning everyone - please note - as everyone is learning - there is so much information and dis-information out there right now Let me share with all of you - one key aspect about the coronavirus that so many are missing. This is not from me - this is from the WHO (World Health Organization): Simply put the coronavirus is "deadlier" than the Flu..... Please read the following and I have attached the WHO web site article from where this came from. Bottom line - one simple to understand aspect... The coronavirus is deadlier than the flu... as stated by the WHO the flu has a 1% death rate - the coronavirus has a 3.4% death rate and another article I have read up to a 4% death rate - simply put the coronavirus is 4 times deadlier... A likely "key reason" for those in various organizations (NBA, NCAA, etc etc) that are "in the know" are making the difficult decisions that they are making. Here is a portion of the WHO web article - with the link below..Thank you
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/03/...-be-contained/
Let's just shut down the entire country. Nobody go anywhere, no work, no school, don't leave your house. Just eat the bark off the trees in your yard. Drink the rainwater that collects in your driveway. Nobody overreact or anything. Over 56,000 people die from the flu in the US every year (between 300,000-600,000 globally). We will go into a recession if this panic continues.
Good morning everyone - please note - as everyone is learning - there is so much information and dis-information out there right now Let me share with all of you - one key aspect about the coronavirus that so many are missing. This is not from me - this is from the WHO (World Health Organization): Simply put the coronavirus is "deadlier" than the Flu..... Please read the following and I have attached the WHO web site article from where this came from. Bottom line - one simple to understand aspect... The coronavirus is deadlier than the flu... as stated by the WHO the flu has a 1% death rate - the coronavirus has a 3.4% death rate and another article I have read up to a 4% death rate - simply put the coronavirus is 4 times deadlier... A likely "key reason" for those in various organizations (NBA, NCAA, etc etc) that are "in the know" are making the difficult decisions that they are making. Here is a portion of the WHO web article - with the link below..Thank you
" Another difference: Covid-19 generally seems to lead to more severe disease than seasonal flu strains, in part because people have no immune protection against the new virus, Tedros said. Flu infections generally kill “far fewer than 1% of those infected,” Tedros said, but as of now, about 3.4% of Covid-19 cases have been fatal. (The fatality rate for Covid-19 is considered preliminary, especially given that experts are not sure how many mild cases are going undetected by health systems.)
The coronavirus, Tedros said, “causes more severe illness than flu, there are not yet any vaccines or therapeutics, and it can be contained — which is why we must do everything we can to contain it.” "
The coronavirus, Tedros said, “causes more severe illness than flu, there are not yet any vaccines or therapeutics, and it can be contained — which is why we must do everything we can to contain it.” "
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/03/...-be-contained/
I am not a medical profession, nor do I disagree with Go_Braves that there is a lot of wrong information out there. However, arguing it's deadlier than the flu, simply hasn't been confirmed. I have cited information from WHO, CDC, and an article from the LA Times (least reliable source). The reality is that the elderly, and people with sever pre-existing issues are most susceptible to it getting worse. However, the mortality rate will likely drop significantly if every person who has it was tested. Keep in mind most of the people being tested are the ones that are having severe reactions, or have been or are in the countries that are currently testing.
Mortality for COVID-19 appears higher than for influenza, especially seasonal influenza. While the true mortality of COVID-19 will take some time to fully understand, the data we have so far indicate that the crude mortality ratio (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) is between 3-4%, the infection mortality rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) will be lower. For seasonal influenza, mortality is usually well below 0.1%. However, mortality is to a large extent determined by access to and quality of health care.
https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...0306-sitrep-46-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=96b04adf_2
While information so far suggests that most COVID-19 illness is mild, a reportexternal icon out of China suggests serious illness occurs in 16% of cases. Older people and people of all ages with severe underlying health conditions — like heart disease, lung disease and diabetes, for example — seem to be at higher risk of developing serious COVID-19 illness.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/summary.html
People 60 and older accounted for more than 80% of the deaths in China, according to a major study in the Journal of the American Medical Assn.
The study identified very few deaths among people under 40. More than 12,000 people in that age group were infected, but only 26 died. It is unclear if those people had other medical conditions, such as asthma or cancer, that may have made them more vulnerable.
These are the COVID-19 mortality rates by age calculated by the Chinese CDC:
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-11/covid-19-risk-healthy-young-person
Mortality for COVID-19 appears higher than for influenza, especially seasonal influenza. While the true mortality of COVID-19 will take some time to fully understand, the data we have so far indicate that the crude mortality ratio (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) is between 3-4%, the infection mortality rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) will be lower. For seasonal influenza, mortality is usually well below 0.1%. However, mortality is to a large extent determined by access to and quality of health care.
https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...0306-sitrep-46-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=96b04adf_2
While information so far suggests that most COVID-19 illness is mild, a reportexternal icon out of China suggests serious illness occurs in 16% of cases. Older people and people of all ages with severe underlying health conditions — like heart disease, lung disease and diabetes, for example — seem to be at higher risk of developing serious COVID-19 illness.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/summary.html
People 60 and older accounted for more than 80% of the deaths in China, according to a major study in the Journal of the American Medical Assn.
The study identified very few deaths among people under 40. More than 12,000 people in that age group were infected, but only 26 died. It is unclear if those people had other medical conditions, such as asthma or cancer, that may have made them more vulnerable.
These are the COVID-19 mortality rates by age calculated by the Chinese CDC:
- ages 10-19: 0.2%
- ages 20-29: 0.2%
- ages 30-39: 0.2%
- ages 40-49: 0.4%
- ages 50-59: 1.3%
- ages 60-69: 3.6%
- ages 70-79: 8%
- 80 and over: 14.8%
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-11/covid-19-risk-healthy-young-person
Mikovio
Member
Instead of focusing on mortality, how about thinking about hospitalizations? It's the live people who need active care.
Between 70 and 150 million people can be expected to get COVID 19 in the US after the virus has run its course. If 15% of those need hospitalization (the rate in China), that means 10.5 million people *or more* will need hospitalization. There are not quite 1 million hospital beds in the US.
This is why it's so important to do everything we can to slow the spread of the virus so that our hospitals aren't overwhelmed overnight ("flattening the curve" as the CDC is saying). Limiting big public gatherings where it can spread like wildfire in an afternoon is very good policy, as much as it pains me to say because I'm a huge sports fan.
Between 70 and 150 million people can be expected to get COVID 19 in the US after the virus has run its course. If 15% of those need hospitalization (the rate in China), that means 10.5 million people *or more* will need hospitalization. There are not quite 1 million hospital beds in the US.
This is why it's so important to do everything we can to slow the spread of the virus so that our hospitals aren't overwhelmed overnight ("flattening the curve" as the CDC is saying). Limiting big public gatherings where it can spread like wildfire in an afternoon is very good policy, as much as it pains me to say because I'm a huge sports fan.
Here is another interesting statistic. As of yesterday, there were 1,364 cases of CoVID-19 in the United States, and 31 deaths. That is a 2.2% mortality rate in the US.
However, there have been 267 cases in Washington state, and 25 of the deaths occurred there (nearly all were in elderly nursing home patients).
So of the 1,097 cases that have occurred in all states except Washington, there have been only 6 deaths. That is a mortality rate for non-Washington residents of only 0.5%
https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-us-state-by-state-breakdown
These statistics will keep changing, but the WHO number for mortality rate (3.4%) is a worldwide number. With earlier detection, and better medical care available in the US, that mortality rate will be much lower.
However, there have been 267 cases in Washington state, and 25 of the deaths occurred there (nearly all were in elderly nursing home patients).
So of the 1,097 cases that have occurred in all states except Washington, there have been only 6 deaths. That is a mortality rate for non-Washington residents of only 0.5%
https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-us-state-by-state-breakdown
These statistics will keep changing, but the WHO number for mortality rate (3.4%) is a worldwide number. With earlier detection, and better medical care available in the US, that mortality rate will be much lower.
Mikovio
Member
My biggest fear is the mortality rate will climb higher if hospitals fill up and people stay home or worse go to work because they're afraid they can't make rent. Or, they simply won't go to the hospital because they can't afford it. Not only testing but treatment needs to be covered by all insurance to encourage people to be proactive.
I don't understand why people need to be hospitalized if their symptoms are fever, cough or possibly shortness of breath, unless they are in the high risk categories.
Mikovio
Member
We can just focus on those needing intensive care but the situation isn't much better. The bottom line is we need to slow the rate of infection because there isn't enough capacity at any level.
"It’s estimated that we have about 45,000 intensive care unit beds in the United States. In a moderate outbreak, about 200,000 Americans would need one.
[...]
A recent report from the Center for Health Security at Johns Hopkins estimated that there were about 160,000 ventilators available for patient care.
A few years earlier, the same group modeled how many ventilators would be needed in unusual circumstances. In a pandemic akin to the flu pandemics in 1957 or 1968, about 65,000 people might need ventilation.
Moreover, if a pandemic more closely followed the model of the Spanish flu outbreak of 1918, we would need more than 740,000 ventilators."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/u...-capacity.html
Tommy
Well-known member
You're assuming we trust what the WHO tells us, which I for one, do not.
Here are the current mortality rates broken down by age groups. This is based on worldwide statistics, which come from the WHO. There have been 40 US deaths, most of them connected to a single nursing home in Washington, so not enough to compile meaningful statistics for the US. However, the mortality rates for the US are expected to be lower due to earlier diagnosis, and better treatment.-
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...-demographics/
If you are younger, and in good health, the coronavirus doesn't pose much risk. The mortality rates for those under 50 are similar to the flu.
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...-demographics/
If you are younger, and in good health, the coronavirus doesn't pose much risk. The mortality rates for those under 50 are similar to the flu.
bradleyfan124
Active member
I think it is because of dehydration which happens with the regular flu.. Push fluids people
Tommy
Well-known member
There are plenty of people in the medical field that are saying this is overblown, as well. So I respect your opinion while also noting that there are others with the same experience with an entirely different opinion on the matter.
Thomas Jefferson - I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.
If you are afraid, lock yourself in your house and don't go anywhere. I'm personally not concerned about it, and I'm getting a little tired of everyone else's panic affecting me. That being said, I recognize that the NCAA, NBA, NHL, etc. are all privately owned organizations that have the right to make these decisions. So be it. But once this turns into the government telling me what I can do and where I can go, then I'm going to have an issue with it, and I think we all know that's coming next.