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Myth Busted - Butler vs. Bradley

MikeCash said:
Indy BB's little fancy spreadsheet is possible the weakest and most irrelevant reply to a post I've seen on any message board in my entire life. Good job Tornado.
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Wow, this place is full of grey matter now isn't it?

I'll go slow. Here is the math for Theron Wilson's contribution to the minutes-weighted average age of Bradley...

4 years
29 minutes per game
213.8 minutes for the team -> 4 * (29/213.80) = .543

In order to get the "age" of the team, you add all the weighted contributions together and that will tell you the weighted average (per minutes in this case) of the team.

Bradley averages 2.58 years vis-a-vis Butler's 1.79. It is not that complex.

The idea that Bradley is somehow comparable in age to Butler, or even more so younger, is absolutely ridiculous, bordering on delusion.
 
so let me get this straight....
Bradley decided to "rebuild" with more experienced players and went with a couple jucos instead of completely raw freshmen.
This is all that your silly numbers are showing.
Yet you seem to be jumping on the bandwagon criticizing BU because they haven't "rebuilt" fast enough!

Maybe next time, instead of getting Theron and Dodie, we should have gone harder after guys like Nick Fruendt and LA Pomlee
(and of course no guarantee we'd even get those guys) who are redshirting elsewhere?
 
tornado said:
4) their starting center (Matt Howard) played full time last season and started nearly every game last year and this year...
We don't have even ONE single guy who had ever previously started even ONE single game at center or even at any position in college basketball now playing post positions.....so no doubt Butler has TONS more experience in the paint.
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All the more reason to get AT into the game and give AT QUALITY minutes.
 
MikeCash said:
Indy BB's little fancy spreadsheet is possible the weakest and most irrelevant reply to a post I've seen on any message board in my entire life. Good job Tornado.
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Gonna have to slip you into the I accept mediocrity camp, therefore I accept losing team. Your team has a lot of players though.
 
BUFAN said:
Brad Stevens hasn't been anywhere for very long he is only thirty one. But, yes in the past they have promoted from within. They develope coaches as well as players...
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Stevens was an assistant coach under Todd Lickliter for six seasons, 2001-07, at Butler. During that period, the Bulldogs compiled a 131-61 record, won three Horizon League regular season championships, made four trips to postseason tournament play and achieved Butler's first "Top 10" national ranking. He became the first assistant coach in Butler basketball history to help the Bulldogs reach the NCAA Sweet 16 twice (2003 and 2007), and he contributed to more NCAA Tournament wins (4) than any previous Butler assistant basketball coach. Teams during his tenure as an assistat coach compiled the top three single season win totals in Butler basketball history prior to 2007-08.
 
Has Butler or Bradley had more success over the past 7 years? Which will have more success for the next 3 years? That equals a decade, and I think a decade can give a good indication of the relative comparison between programs.

Another question - just because posters are not satisfied with the results of the program, does that make them BU haters?
 
JC43 said:
Stevens was an assistant coach under Todd Lickliter for six seasons, 2001-07, at Butler. During that period, the Bulldogs compiled a 131-61 record, won three Horizon League regular season championships, made four trips to postseason tournament play and achieved Butler's first "Top 10" national ranking. He became the first assistant coach in Butler basketball history to help the Bulldogs reach the NCAA Sweet 16 twice (2003 and 2007), and he contributed to more NCAA Tournament wins (4) than any previous Butler assistant basketball coach. Teams during his tenure as an assistat coach compiled the top three single season win totals in Butler basketball history prior to 2007-08.
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Thanks, I guess Brad has a few more whiskers than I realized. He is doing a fine job. I would imagine he will have a lot of BCS offers just as Todd and Thad did.
 
tornado said:
thanks Mike....but actually even if I am the only one with the correct argument, I wouldn't back down...
I have been standing up for BU for decades and I am proud of it.
Thankfully it has helped bury all the Mr. Happy's, uptempostyles, and other lifelong BU-bashers and haters.

as Da Coach once queried of the BU bashers....why do you torture yourself so much by following BU
if you think BU is a worthless team and poorly coached?
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Well maybe your ardent defense is why BU is mired in mediocrity. Maybe if some of the big donors decided to care more about a winning program than how nice the coach is to them things would improve. You indicated you have not heard even the "tiniest bit" of dissatisfaction amongst any of the "big money” I hope that is not the case but if it is, that is a problem.

The "bashers" care just as much about BU as you or anyone else. Would you prefer our team be the loveable losers? We would sell out every game despite a poor product because you can drink and have a good time? The money keeps coming in so why care how the team does? Are those real fans? Are you really a fan if you blindly support your team without having any expectations? I think not!
 
ser_solace said:
If Coach Les doesn't accept excuses, why should we accept them? And that's what this thread sounds like.
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Here here! The last person on Earth that has ever made excuses is Jim Les, and that's what has made him overachieve at everything he's ever done. Why we feel we need to make excuses is beyond me.
 
JC43 said:
Well maybe your ardent defense is why BU is mired in mediocrity. Maybe if some of the big donors decided to care more about a winning program than how nice the coach is to them things would improve.
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Please, this is the silliest thing that keeps coming up from the uninformed negative nellies. This misdirected anger is pathologic. The donors that support Bradley are not the ones you should be blaming. If not for them, Bradley could easily be playing against the likes of Lewis and Illinois Wesleyan Division II or III, or be mired in a low level of D1 like Chicago State or EIU. People should give thanks that Bradley does have the generous donors and supporters that they have.


So criticize the coaching or the recruiting, or the schedule if you want, but please don't make ridiculous statements like the BU donors are to blame.
 
Da Coach said:
Please, this is the silliest thing that keeps coming up from the uninformed negative nellies. This misdirected anger is pathologic. The donors that support Bradley are not the ones you should be blaming. If not for them, Bradley could easily be playing against the likes of Lewis and Illinois Wesleyan Division II or III, or be mired in a low level of D1 like Chicago State or EIU. People should give thanks that Bradley does have the generous donors and supporters that they have.
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I agree, the donors are certainly not to blame...

Although, didn't a whole lot of ppl want McClain here? :lol:
 
SaintLouBrave22 said:
I agree, the donors are certainly not to blame...

Although, didn't a whole lot of ppl want McClain here? :lol:
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Would we be in a better place now if he was hired?

I think you hit the nail. Many of the anti-JL people now are the ones who wanted WM. I believe the program would be worse off if that had happened. 7 years later, he is still in the lower level assistant slot at the same school, despite some impressive success that school has had, and the fact that many of the other assistants that have been there with him have moved on to better jobs, several as head coaches.
Maybe this is a question for another thread, but why have no other offers ever come to WM?
 
Da Coach said:
Would we be in a better place now if he was hired?

I think you hit the nail. Many of the anti-JL people now are the ones who wanted WM. I believe the program would be worse off if that had happened. 7 years later, he is still in the lower level assistant slot at the same school, despite some impressive success that school has had, and the fact that many of the other assistants that have been there with him have moved on to better jobs, several as head coaches.
Maybe this is a question for another thread, but why have no other offers ever come to WM?
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Where is this anti-JL faction I keep hearing about? I've never met anyone who's anti-JL, but I know plenty of people who are ant-mediocrity.
 
Guys, your both 'Right.' Indy_BB we are not as 'young' as Butler by age. but if you total the D1 minutes of our lineups, I think the opposite would be true. Only TW, SM and DD have any real experience in D1, and at that, only 1 year. No one else on our team has any significant D1 minutes. T's right, they are more experienced in that regard.

However, Butler is a better program at the moment, as is UW-M. Both have conference championships under there belt recently, both have had multiple NCAA appearances recently, and Butler is better coached. I love JL, and DO NOT think he should go anywhere, but to he just isn't great at X's and O's for a coach at this level. He is a great recruiter, is charismatic and a wonderful ambassador for BU Basketball, but I do believe for him to be successful he needs a CB behind the scenes to teach many things. I hope JL is here for many many years, because I truly feel he embodies what it means to be a Brave. I do hope however we get an assistant who knows the game even close to what CB does. A huge part of being a good leader is surrounding yourself with people who make you better...
 
Scouter said:
Where is this anti-JL faction I keep hearing about? I've never met anyone who's anti-JL, but I know plenty of people who are ant-mediocrity.
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I actually know a few folks who were anti-JL when he got hired because they thought Coach Mo got undermined, and WM got the shaft. Some of them still can't let it go to this day, and take pleasure out of seasons like this one.
 
BradleyBrave said:
I actually know a few folks who were anti-JL when he got hired because they thought Coach Mo got undermined, and WM got the shaft. Some of them still can't let it go to this day, and take pleasure out of seasons like this one.
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BradleyBrave - I call those people Schadenfreudes. :lol:
 
Scouter said:
Where is this anti-JL faction I keep hearing about? I've never met anyone who's anti-JL, but I know plenty of people who are ant-mediocrity.
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I know a number of people who were longtime season-ticket holders, and even some who were big boosters and donors to the program, who never renewed after the 2002 coaching search/hire, have never come to another game, and still will not profess support for Bradley. (sorry, but I won't name them publically)
On the other hand, there are some who were very anti BU for a while, but who have returned, and made very public statements of support for the current coaching staff.
 
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