Max Bielfeldt getting a lot more recruiting interest

[jrish12]

If Max is this great talent, and Tyler Les was a DI player (which he currently is), why wasn't PND better last year? With a blue chipper like Max one would think that being teamed with a DI guard would make them unstoppable.

Same thing could be said about Brian Randle and Mitch Gilfillan when they played for PND... :roll:

Peoria is one of the toughest places for high school basketball in the state, and arguably the midwest. Is Max a high D I talent? No. Is he a mid major player? absolutely. If you put him in the right system he could be a ton. I feel that the system at Bradley COULD fit him. He can hit the outside shot and still bang inside. The problem is, the style he plays in high school is not suited for a college game because he is undersized for that position at the college level. Now, like someone said, if he grew 2-3 inches, he probably would be a high D I talent. But he isnt, I still think he would be a good fit in the Valley or Horizon league.

 

[BradleyBrave]

Tyler Les is at a D1 school yes... You don't think his father might have some pull to get him there. My mind his was no where near a D1 player. Sometimes its more about who you know then what you know....

I didn't compare Bielfeldt to Meyers Leonard or Mike Tisdale. Both are 7'0+ ... One is a freak athlete who is very unpolished... Other is a skilled finese big that gives very little production inside. However I never compared Max to either of those. However, I would say that Meyers and Tisdales # would probably be a little lower in high school if they played a tough 3a-4a schedule.

I compared Max to Prosser who is bout the same size who happens to be playing at a midmajor.

Your statement was about those players, and you attempted to substantiate it with their high school numbers and competition. I cited two examples (Leonard and Tisdale) that disproves your theory.

From that we learned that Tornado thinks Max is better than Meyers Leonard.

We are learning a lot today!

 

[BradleyBrave]

Same thing could be said about Brian Randle and Mitch Gilfillan when they played for PND... :roll:

Peoria is one of the toughest places for high school basketball in the state, and arguably the midwest. Is Max a high D I talent? No. Is he a mid major player? absolutely. If you put him in the right system he could be a ton. I feel that the system at Bradley COULD fit him. He can hit the outside shot and still bang inside. The problem is, the style he plays in high school is not suited for a college game because he is undersized for that position at the college level. Now, like someone said, if he grew 2-3 inches, he probably would be a high D I talent. But he isnt, I still think he would be a good fit in the Valley or Horizon league.

Agreed!

 

[tornado]

I guess the whole Big 10 is missing on this guy. :roll:
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nope, you're being silly -- everyone knows Meyers Leonard was not recruited because he IS currently a GREAT talent...he was recruited because he is thought to become a great talent...

so he may have a much higher potential...but I think Max is presently a better player...and if they played head to head I am confident (barring other factors like who their teammates or opponents are) Max could outplay and outscore Leonard.
Against woefully weaker opponents just last year, Meyers averaged 18.9 ppg, 10.9 rpg...considerably less than what Max gets against far, far better defenses.
(trivia -- who led Meyers' HS team in scoring?? hint -- it was NOT Meyers)
Check their games form last year and whenever Meyers faced a team like Dieterich or Hillsboro or Salem -- he did fine...but he scored far less against the Mt. Zion, Teutopolis, or Decatur STA...
those big games against BIG opponents are when Max really seems to fill the stat sheet.

I am reminded of the debates we had whether Cellus or Najeeb Echols would end up the better player.....
Everyone pointed to where he'd been, his background out of Chicago, etc. etc...and claimed Echols would be better..
......same stuff everyone's using with Max...
In the end I was right on that one and I have no fear about now either...

 

[midstateknowitall]

Your statement was about those players, and you attempted to substantiate it with their high school numbers and competition. I cited two examples (Leonard and Tisdale) that disproves your theory.

From that we learned that Tornado thinks Max is better than Meyers Leonard.

We are learning a lot today!

Yeah I did compare #'s of a class 1a -2a player and a 3a-4a player that were comparable in size.

7'0+ skilled or athletic with Trump anything because you can't teach someone to be taller... They don't come around that frequent. If meyers or tisdale was 6'8 or 6'9 then I would throw them in the arguement as well, but they aren't. Apples to Apples my friend not Apples to Oranges.

 

[BradleyBrave]

Yeah I did compare #'s of a class 1a -2a player and a 3a-4a player that were comparable in size.

7'0+ skilled or athletic with Trump anything because you can't teach someone to be taller... They don't come around that frequent. If meyers or tisdale was 6'8 or 6'9 then I would throw them in the arguement as well, but they aren't. Apples to Apples my friend not Apples to Oranges.

Apples to Apples? You are the one throwing in all the caveats with 'Well if they're 7'0" then it trumps everything'. AAU is the closest thing to 'Apples to Apples' there is. Through the AAU circuit JP fielded more offers than MB has, largely based on size, strength, athleticism, and ability. I guess everyone else watching and scouting for major and mid-major college basketball programs is stupid to have missed on the golden nugget that is Max Bielfeldt. *****s!

 

[midstateknowitall]

Apples to Apples? You are the one throwing in all the caveats with 'Well if they're 7'0" then it trumps everything'. AAU is the closest thing to 'Apples to Apples' there is. Through the AAU circuit JP fielded more offers than MB has, largely based on size, strength, athleticism, and ability. I guess everyone else watching and scouting for major and mid-major college basketball programs is stupid to have missed on the golden nugget that is Max Bielfeldt. *****s!

AAU offers were soley based on the programs both chose to play with early in their careers. JP played with Adidas Indiana Elite (huge program). Max played with Peoria Irish (who he helped take the next step as a program). JP was more athletic and mobile as a fresh and soph. Max was stronger and better banger.

Now things have changed because JP body didn't change nor did his game much. Max had changed his body, mobility, and athleticism. And has advanced his game tremendously.

Tail of 2 different recruitment:

Prosser recieved alot of his interest Early and little interest late.

Bielfeldt recieved little interest Early and alot of interest late.

Just shows kids develop and mature at different stages.


And I am right about being 7'0. Somebody will take a chance somewhere just because of size and potential. Tisdale was skilled in high school high major, Meyers is athletic as can be high major. Nate Wells is neither that skilled or that athletic. However, Bradley takes a chance. You can't teach someone who is skilled to have more Height. But you can teach someone with height to be more skilled.

 

[tornado]

...I guess everyone else watching and scouting for major and mid-major college basketball programs is stupid to have missed on the golden nugget that is Max Bielfeldt. *****s!

again...not true...maybe you have not heard...
Max and his family have been contacted and talked to and recruited by MAJOR programs...as well as many other mid-majors..
but thus far, for a variety of reasons...he has not yet made up his mind...and then that gets interpreted on message boards as though he has no offers...

 

[BradleyBrave]

AAU offers were soley based on the programs both chose to play with early in their careers. JP played with Adidas Indiana Elite (huge program). Max played with Peoria Irish (who he helped take the next step as a program). JP was more athletic and mobile as a fresh and soph. Max was stronger and better banger.

Now things have changed because JP body didn't change nor did his game much. Max had changed his body, mobility, and athleticism. And has advanced his game tremendously.

Tail of 2 different recruitment:

Prosser recieved alot of his interest Early and little interest late.

Bielfeldt recieved little interest Early and alot of interest late.

Just shows kids develop and mature at different stages.


And I am right about being 7'0. Somebody will take a chance somewhere just because of size and potential. Tisdale was skilled in high school high major, Meyers is athletic as can be high major. Nate Wells is neither that skilled or that athletic. However, Bradley takes a chance. You can't teach someone who is skilled to have more Height. But you can teach someone with height to be more skilled.

JP's body hasn't changed? :-o Have you seen him lately? :-o

 

[BradleyBrave]

again...not true...maybe you have not heard...
Max and his family have been contacted and talked to and recruited by MAJOR programs...as well as many other mid-majors..
but thus far, for a variety of reasons...he has not yet made up his mind...and then that gets interpreted on message boards as though he has no offers...

I can't wait to see him in the McDonald's All-American game.

 

[midstateknowitall]

JP's body hasn't changed? :-o Have you seen him lately? :-o

Yeah JP's Body Changed after Redshirting his freshman year of college. You don't think Max body will do the same once he gets to college... JP's body changed very little in high school.


Virgina, Northwestern, Iowa have all been in contact with Max recently

U of I offered him a perferred walk on.

Obviously Majors are taking notice. I think he is better suited for a midmajor but can't argue if they end up offering him because he is putting up the #'s against the high competition to merritt the interest.

 

[BradleyBrave]

Yeah JP's Body Changed after Redshirting his freshman year of college. You don't think Max body will do the same once he gets to college... JP's body changed very little in high school.


Virgina, Northwestern, Iowa have all been in contact with Max recently

U of I offered him a perferred walk on.

Obviously Majors are taking notice. I think he is better suited for a midmajor but can't argue if they end up offering him because he is putting up the #'s against the high competition to merritt the interest.

Wouldn't that be even more of a compliment to JP for garnering offers and interest without 'transforming' himself the way Max has had to?

Had Max committed somewhere in the fall like JP committed in the fall, there would be no phone calls.

His family's last name on buildings at U of I surely had nothing to do with the 'preferred walk-on' offer.

Guys get calls all the time. A call is just that, a call.

Whatever. He can be the be-all and end-all in your world. I saw the kid play enough to know what I was looking at.

 

[Lakeview Brave]

The real question is why would any big man want to come here? Our system is not good for bigs and we have no history of developing bigs. Do you think Max looks at AT and WE and says "Man i wish that could be me"?

 

[Braves4Life]

Do you think Max looks at AT and WE and says "Man i wish that could be me"?

:lol: Pretty much says it all. :lol:

 

[Da Coach]

The real question is why would any big man want to come here? Our system is not good for bigs and we have no history of developing bigs. Do you think Max looks at AT and WE and says "Man i wish that could be me"?

That might be your perspective, but I don't think that is what high school kids see when they consider a school. They look for playing time, how often the school gets on TV, closeness to home, and the success and prestige of the school. Other than that, it's based on how good a sales job a coach can do to get a kid.

 

[Lakeview Brave]

That might be your perspective, but I don't think that is what high school kids see when they consider a school. They look for playing time, how often the school gets on TV, closeness to home, and the success and prestige of the school. Other than that, it's based on how good a sales job a coach can do to get a kid.

Not facilities??? I thought those were going to save us? I dont think closeness to home or being on TV are big factors at all. TV is certainly not a big factor for mid and low majors since we arent on tv much. I know some people who have been recruited and system does make a difference.

 

[mrcoachdude]

The real question is why would any big man want to come here? Our system is not good for bigs and we have no history of developing bigs. Do you think Max looks at AT and WE and says "Man i wish that could be me"?

more like.."look at what Pross is doing and all that playing time available...I can do that...and DSE and DStew are there...family are close so they can watch me play"...Valley contender next season with all the guys back and healthy...and BU is a great school..

 

[BradleyBrave]

I find it funny that people are arguing about how a shorter, lighter, less athletic local big man with low major interest is supposedly so much better than our 2nd year starting power forward. And JP isn't even playing poorly. Wow.

 

[midstateknowitall]

Nobody said JP is playing poorly. I have stated this for a while but we get "NO" production from our bigs on a consistant level. It could be the system we run, it could be guards don't feed them the ball much, but it is a little bit because none of them have a post presence about them. JP and especially Will are face up 4 man that would rather play that way then back to the basket. We have no one to pump it into right now that we can rely on to get a tough basket.

Max does have that in his game a back to the basket go get me a bucket type mentality and skill. He can also face up now and shoot out to the 3. Im not saying he is the be all end all for Bradley. It just boggles my mind how their lack of attention to a kid like Bielfeldt no matter what the circumstances are goes unnoticed.

 

[mrcoachdude]

Nobody said JP is playing poorly. I have stated this for a while but we get "NO" production from our bigs on a consistant level. It could be the system we run, it could be guards don't feed them the ball much, but it is a little bit because none of them have a post presence about them. JP and especially Will are face up 4 man that would rather play that way then back to the basket. We have no one to pump it into right now that we can rely on to get a tough basket.

Max does have that in his game a back to the basket go get me a bucket type mentality and skill. He can also face up now and shoot out to the 3. Im not saying he is the be all end all for Bradley. It just boggles my mind how their lack of attention to a kid like Bielfeldt no matter what the circumstances are goes unnoticed.

I would say JP is consistant and doing fine...lack of getting the ball inside more is the issue...not their level of play...Max has a well rounded game and I would think JL knows how much attention he should be getting...I want him at BU!