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John Wilkins to visit isu this weekend

If the player is overly sensitive and reads internet fodder, then stay away. Eddy Curry's dad was upset at things said when Eddy was drafted. I agree that it happens at times but those are usually head cases you want to stay clear of getting into the program.

Like I said, I played pick up ball with lots of D1 players and they never, ever cited fan support as a reason. They were east coast kids who ended up playing at NC State (2 of them), Fordham, Yale, Northeastern, Duquense and Florida (football). Maybe the midwest is different.
 
Chico said:
I can understand the Hawk's kids reluctance to come to Bradley. After all, he is the all time scoring leader on the Hilltop, an All-American who lead the country in scoring. But they are great kids and coming here would put a lot of undue pressure on them. Don't think JW would have as much to live up to at ISU.
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You are correct in that the ISU equivalent to Hawkins' kids would have been Chris Collins. But Wilkins is ISU's equivalent to JJ Anderson or Anthony Parker so there is still a legacy there. Wilkins spent 6 or 7 years in the NBA and another 10+ in Europe.
 
Parents do read message boards and if you do not think that what is said on those boards do not effect them and if you do not think that parents do not have a bearing on their kids then I guess we can't agree. How much does it influence a player and their family? I'd guess it depend on where they are in the decision process. I'd like to think that being positive or at least not being rude about these young kids is a good thing regardless.
 
Just wish John would give BU a final visit as our style seems to suit his game a lot more as he would have the freedom to shoot from the outside more then the other teams he is looking at.
 
SFP said:
Parents do read message boards and if you do not think that what is said on those boards do not effect them and if you do not think that parents do not have a bearing on their kids then I guess we can't agree. How much does it influence a player and their family? I'd guess it depend on where they are in the decision process. I'd like to think that being positive or at least not being rude about these young kids is a good thing regardless.
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Some parents do, some parents don't. Like I said, my experience with numerous D1 players I knew was they didn't give a rip about fan bases or internet message boards.

And if someone is rude or mean spirited on a message board about a kid that certainly says more about the poster than the person posted about.
 
BSSFan#1 said:
You are correct in that the ISU equivalent to Hawkins' kids would have been Chris Collins. But Wilkins is ISU's equivalent to JJ Anderson or Anthony Parker so there is still a legacy there. Wilkins spent 6 or 7 years in the NBA and another 10+ in Europe.
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IMO, Wilkens isn't the equivalent of either JJ or AP. I agree on Chris Collins.
 
BradleyBrave said:
I think JJ/AP are fair comparisons.
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I know Flash considers Jeff Wilkins as one of the all-time ISU greats. Check out NBA #s and you'll find that ISU's NBA history is somewhat void other than Collins & Wilkins.

You'll see Bubbles Hawkins played in 100 games or so. Cyrus Mann was drafted but didn't make it for some reason. Remember that ISU did not go D1 until 1970 (or something like that).
 
BSSFan#1 said:
Wilkins (the elder) is equivalent to whom at BU then?
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Tell me his all time stats at ISU and I'll venture an opinion. Not that he wasn't a decent player but I just find it hard to compare him with the all time scoring leader at Bradley and the MVC.
 
We've posted these lists before.

Here are the players attributed to Bradley that have played in the NBA-
http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=bradley
note that it does not include Danny Granger and any other player who transferred and played at another school after Bradley. Still, Bradley has had an impressive history with 19 NBA players, a lot for a school the size of Bradley.

The page can be set to check for any other college. Bradley has more NBA'ers than any MVC school.

Here are ISU's 3 NBA players.-
http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=illinoisst

Here are the number of NBA players from each of the current MVC schools according to this site-
Bradley- 19
Drake - 14
Creighton- 12
Wichita St- 9
So. Illinois- 9
Indiana St- 9
Evansville- 5
Missouri St- 4
Illinois St- 3
No. Iowa- 0
 
Da Coach said:
We've posted these lists before.

Here are the players attributed to Bradley that have played in the NBA-
http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=bradley
note that it does not include Danny Granger and any other player who transferred and played at another school after Bradley. Still, Bradley has had an impressive history with 19 NBA players, a lot for a school the size of Bradley.

The page can be set to check for any other college. Bradley has more NBA'ers than any MVC school.

Here are ISU's 3 NBA players.-
http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=illinoisst

Here are the number of NBA players from each of the current MVC schools according to this site-
Bradley- 19
Drake - 14
Creighton- 12
Wichita St- 9
So. Illinois- 9
Indiana St- 9
Evansville- 5
Missouri St- 4
Illinois St- 3
No. Iowa- 0
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14 NBA'ers from Drake? That must have been pre-shot clock...
 
Lewis Lloyd who left Drake in 1981 was the last Drake player to play in the NBA
He was not drafted in 1982, but in round 4 of the 1981 NBA Draft
http://basketballreference.com/draft/draftyear.htm?yr=1981&lg=N

Bradley's Hasan Houston was drafted a few picks later in the 5th round...

BTW - some sites list Maurice Evans as a Wichita player that made it to the NBA - but then they should also list Danny Granger...
since Evans left Wichita and transferred to finish his career elsewhere, like Granger..
Same goes for Greg Dreiling & Ozell Jones...both transferred out of WSU
 
That general time period at WSU was the most talent on a Valley team I can remeber in my lifetime. Carr and Levingston were scary to watch as freshmen. And all the other guys you just mentioned. They were loaded. Tulsa and Bradley were loaded also.
 
Chico said:
Tell me his all time stats at ISU and I'll venture an opinion. Not that he wasn't a decent player but I just find it hard to compare him with the all time scoring leader at Bradley and the MVC.
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Not talking about where the elder Wilkins compares in MVC history. ISU wasn't even part of the MVC when he played at ISU.

This is about Wilkins' legacy at ISU. Flash certainly knows more about ISU history than me and he has told me Wilkins is one of the all-time greats at ISU. I trust Flash's knowledge about this.

As far as the numbers go, Wilkins has played in more NBA games than any other Redbird. He has the 2nd most NBA points trailing Doug Collins.

Wilkins high scoring game at ISU was 41 which ranks tied for 12th. Wilkins scored 631 points in 1977 which is the 6th highest single season total at ISU. His career total is 1,329 and ranks 17th. He did this is 3 years. Wilkins was the 9th leading career scorer when he left ISU. Wilkins also had 2 20 rebound games. He grabbed 323 rebounds in 1977 which ranks as the 5th best single season at ISU. Wilkins' 794 career rebounds is 7th on ISU's all time list. He amassed these totals in 81 games, not the 130+ games played by today's players.

Again, we are talking ISU history and how ISU fans feel about Wilkins and not MVC history.

Thanks for making this an ISU history lesson. ;-)
 
BSSFan#1 said:
.... Wilkins is one of the all-time greats at ISU. I trust Flash's knowledge about this...
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why is this even being debated???
Everyone agrees Jeff Wilkins was a great player at ISU and is still arguably one of their TWO BEST EVER!!

That begs the question why in the thirty years after he left school the folks at ISU never saw fit to reward Jeff with a plaque, a banner, the retirement of his jersey or his number, or even a simple ceremony pointing to his great accomplishments...

I am fully aware of Flash's tremendous knowledge about ISU basketball -- after all he coached there and landed Jeff Wilkins for them...but even Flash also has been totally forgotten by the ISU -- his memory thrown by the Redbirds into the trash heap...

They don't celebrate anyone over there except one person...
they would have changed the entire city's name to Collinsville had that name not already been taken, but the rest of their greats have never gotten a peep from anyone...
they treat their old-timers very poorly there - unlike the way they get treated at BU.
Bradley has had the old timers - as many as can come - back for at least some every every single year!!

Hopefully nobody needs to remind the Wilkinses of those facts.....
 
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