tornado
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I have heard that the NCAA will come down hard and issue Indiana one of its
harshest penalties yet, they will prohibit Indiana from having Erin Andrews do
any of their games for the next two years!
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Indiana NCAA Sanctions
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I have heard that the NCAA will come down hard and issue Indiana one of its
harshest penalties yet, they will prohibit Indiana from having Erin Andrews do
any of their games for the next two years!
Braves4Life
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I can feel the happiness in Champaign and I'm half-way across the country. Lotta smiles in Champaign Urbana 
IlliBraves
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Last night wasn't that bad of a night. It started out pretty bad with BU losing to a pretty lowly opponent, but it ended on a pretty high note with Illinois thumping Minny on the road and then the news of the sanctions! I hope the NCAA really does ban them from the tourney for 2-3 years. Let's see how many "top recruits" end up transferring because of this.
tornado
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Wow--- I just spent a little time checking out the activity over on the premium Rivals/Indiana board
(peegs.com)
There is intense concern and activity with over 2000 people online right now, discussing lots of topics.
In fact, their present numbers are even rivaling their MOST activity ever, about 3000 people online on 11/04/06, the day Eric Gordon signed.
There are been a press conference announced for today at 5PM (Eastern)
http://indiana.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=774231
It is a foregone conclusion that IU will try to candy coat it, but there will be announcement of serious violations by Sampson and IU.
"Indiana University Director of Athletics Rick Greenspan and Associate Athletic Director/SWA Grace Calhoun
will be available to address the media at 5 pm in the basketball press room of Assembly Hall tonight."
Some think the news conference will announce that Sampson is suspended from coaching and others think the news conference will only detail what the NCAA is mulling over, and they'll try to ride it out hoping for a miracle that the NCAA will give only a slap.
But I am fully surprised by the number and the intensity of the posts that are entitled...
"Greenspan & Sampson Need to Go!"
"Looks like Ratliff got out at just the right time..........."
"Can IU fire Sampson at this point?"
".......losing support for Greenspan..."
"Coincidence that Bob Knight left Ttech last week?"
and numerous, numerous threads suggesting various different replacement coaches from Sean Miller, to Scott Skiles, to Jim O'Brian, to Dan Dakich, Randy Wittman, to even (believe it or not) Bob Knight and Bruce Weber!!
and one of the articles is........
"NCAA Not Buying Sampson's Explanation"
http://indiana.scout.com/2/728818.html
Here is the summary:
"NCAA: Sampson misled IU about calls
Indiana University men's basketball coach Kelvin Sampson "repeatedly" provided "false or misleading information" to the school and NCAA investigators, according to a list of five major violations the NCAA is alleging against IU.
Potential major violations
The NCAA allegations cited in the NCAA letter to IU are:
1. That (Kelvin) Sampson, (assistant coach Jeff) Meyer and (former assistant Rob) Senderoff failed to comply with sanctions
imposed on Sampson for impermissible recruiting calls he made while he was a coach at Oklahoma. Those sanctions followed Sampson to IU when he came here in May of 2006.
Sampson and Senderoff are alleged to have jointly participated in telephone calls at a time when Sampson was prohibited from
being present or taking part when staff members made recruiting calls.
Senderoff and Meyer are alleged to have made about 100 calls that exceeded the sanction limits. Senderoff resigned his position Oct. 30.
2. That Senderoff and Meyer placed "at least 25 telephone calls" to nine potential recruits that exceeded NCAA limits even if no sanctions had been in place.
3. That Sampson "acted contrary to the NCAA principles of ethical conduct when he knowingly violated recruiting restrictions imposed by the NCAA Committee on Infractions," and that he "failed to deport himself in accordance with the generally recognized high standard of honesty normally associated with the conduct and administration of intercollegiate athletics by providing the institution and the NCAA enforcement staff false or
misleading information," and that he "failed to promote an atmosphere for compliance within the men's basketball program and failed to monitor the activities regarding compliance of one or more of his assistant coaches."
4. That Senderoff "acted contrary to the NCAA principles of ethical conduct when he knowingly violated recruiting restrictions imposed by the NCAA Committee on Infractions," and that he "failed to deport himself in accordance with the generally recognized high standard of honesty normally associated with the conduct and administration of intercollegiate athletics by providing the institution false or misleading information."
5. That Sampson and Meyer engaged in an impermissible recruiting contact during a two-day sports camp held at Assembly Hall on June 30 and July 1, 2007, and that Meyer provided the potential recruit with an impermissible benefit **** at least one T-shirt and drawstring backpack."
and a poll of message board posters has about 80-20% favoring KS gets FIRED!!
Oh...and as if IU needed even more bad news...several FB players were arrested on various charges...
disorderly conduct charges, noise ordinance violations, resisting arrest, illegal consumption and public intoxication....
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3242399
(peegs.com)
There is intense concern and activity with over 2000 people online right now, discussing lots of topics.
In fact, their present numbers are even rivaling their MOST activity ever, about 3000 people online on 11/04/06, the day Eric Gordon signed.
There are been a press conference announced for today at 5PM (Eastern)
http://indiana.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=774231
It is a foregone conclusion that IU will try to candy coat it, but there will be announcement of serious violations by Sampson and IU.
"Indiana University Director of Athletics Rick Greenspan and Associate Athletic Director/SWA Grace Calhoun
will be available to address the media at 5 pm in the basketball press room of Assembly Hall tonight."
Some think the news conference will announce that Sampson is suspended from coaching and others think the news conference will only detail what the NCAA is mulling over, and they'll try to ride it out hoping for a miracle that the NCAA will give only a slap.
But I am fully surprised by the number and the intensity of the posts that are entitled...
"Greenspan & Sampson Need to Go!"
"Looks like Ratliff got out at just the right time..........."
"Can IU fire Sampson at this point?"
".......losing support for Greenspan..."
"Coincidence that Bob Knight left Ttech last week?"
and numerous, numerous threads suggesting various different replacement coaches from Sean Miller, to Scott Skiles, to Jim O'Brian, to Dan Dakich, Randy Wittman, to even (believe it or not) Bob Knight and Bruce Weber!!
and one of the articles is........
"NCAA Not Buying Sampson's Explanation"
http://indiana.scout.com/2/728818.html
Here is the summary:
"NCAA: Sampson misled IU about calls
Indiana University men's basketball coach Kelvin Sampson "repeatedly" provided "false or misleading information" to the school and NCAA investigators, according to a list of five major violations the NCAA is alleging against IU.
Potential major violations
The NCAA allegations cited in the NCAA letter to IU are:
1. That (Kelvin) Sampson, (assistant coach Jeff) Meyer and (former assistant Rob) Senderoff failed to comply with sanctions
imposed on Sampson for impermissible recruiting calls he made while he was a coach at Oklahoma. Those sanctions followed Sampson to IU when he came here in May of 2006.
Sampson and Senderoff are alleged to have jointly participated in telephone calls at a time when Sampson was prohibited from
being present or taking part when staff members made recruiting calls.
Senderoff and Meyer are alleged to have made about 100 calls that exceeded the sanction limits. Senderoff resigned his position Oct. 30.
2. That Senderoff and Meyer placed "at least 25 telephone calls" to nine potential recruits that exceeded NCAA limits even if no sanctions had been in place.
3. That Sampson "acted contrary to the NCAA principles of ethical conduct when he knowingly violated recruiting restrictions imposed by the NCAA Committee on Infractions," and that he "failed to deport himself in accordance with the generally recognized high standard of honesty normally associated with the conduct and administration of intercollegiate athletics by providing the institution and the NCAA enforcement staff false or
misleading information," and that he "failed to promote an atmosphere for compliance within the men's basketball program and failed to monitor the activities regarding compliance of one or more of his assistant coaches."
4. That Senderoff "acted contrary to the NCAA principles of ethical conduct when he knowingly violated recruiting restrictions imposed by the NCAA Committee on Infractions," and that he "failed to deport himself in accordance with the generally recognized high standard of honesty normally associated with the conduct and administration of intercollegiate athletics by providing the institution false or misleading information."
5. That Sampson and Meyer engaged in an impermissible recruiting contact during a two-day sports camp held at Assembly Hall on June 30 and July 1, 2007, and that Meyer provided the potential recruit with an impermissible benefit **** at least one T-shirt and drawstring backpack."
and a poll of message board posters has about 80-20% favoring KS gets FIRED!!
Oh...and as if IU needed even more bad news...several FB players were arrested on various charges...
disorderly conduct charges, noise ordinance violations, resisting arrest, illegal consumption and public intoxication....
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3242399
BradleyBrave
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I find this whole debacle extremely entertaining and satisfying.
tornado
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Does anyone think like I do, that had this been BU, there'd be talk of the death penalty
and severe, severe, immediate penalties including a lifetime ban for whoever our coach is and post season bans?
Instead...it appears, Sampson will be allowed to stay by the NCAA and that they won't act on penalties until at least this summer, but rumor exists that IU is trying to buy him out and get rid of him.
and severe, severe, immediate penalties including a lifetime ban for whoever our coach is and post season bans?
Instead...it appears, Sampson will be allowed to stay by the NCAA and that they won't act on penalties until at least this summer, but rumor exists that IU is trying to buy him out and get rid of him.
I would not expect to see Sampson get fired at this point. That would be too damaging to the program, and would require that the AD who hired him admit it was a big mistake, something I doubt he would do until he is forced to.
Instead, I look for another assistant coach to take a bullet like what happened a few months ago.
Since Jeff Meyer's name surfaces many times in the NCAA report (along with the previously fired Rob Senderoff), he is the obvious choice to be the next sacrificial lamb.
And BTW- if and when Sampson does get released, IMO, Indiana would not need to "buy him out". These willful violations he and his assistants committed would easily fall under the "just cause" portion of his contract, and I would think he could be fired without needing to pay him anything.
Instead, I look for another assistant coach to take a bullet like what happened a few months ago.
Since Jeff Meyer's name surfaces many times in the NCAA report (along with the previously fired Rob Senderoff), he is the obvious choice to be the next sacrificial lamb.
And BTW- if and when Sampson does get released, IMO, Indiana would not need to "buy him out". These willful violations he and his assistants committed would easily fall under the "just cause" portion of his contract, and I would think he could be fired without needing to pay him anything.
But would IU want to take part in the lawsuit that inevitably Sampson will bring? Or did IU already set that precedence with RMK?
tornado
New member
Recap of 5PM press conference.........
--FIVE major violations discovered and need penalties...including the NCAA found KS lied to NCAA investigators
--Sampson will be the coach for the "foreseeable future"
--NCAA not likely to act before June
--Not ruling out further action in the near future by IU
--Will let the system play itself out
Eric Gordon's dad comments....doesn't seem to worried and even defends KS saying this stuff happens everywhere...
but of course, Eric Gordon won't be there next year
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080213/NLETTER03/80213045
--FIVE major violations discovered and need penalties...including the NCAA found KS lied to NCAA investigators
--Sampson will be the coach for the "foreseeable future"
--NCAA not likely to act before June
--Not ruling out further action in the near future by IU
--Will let the system play itself out
Eric Gordon's dad comments....doesn't seem to worried and even defends KS saying this stuff happens everywhere...
but of course, Eric Gordon won't be there next year
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080213/NLETTER03/80213045
IlliBraves
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Of course Gordon's dad's not going to speak out against Sampson. His son got paid off to play at IU. How else do you suppose his old AAU coach and EG Sr's old coach from Liberty "magically" got jobs on the IU staff?
Oh, and Bobby Knight will NEVER come back to IU after what they did to him. He has too much pride. He's a stubborn, but smart man. I don't see him coming back, he already left a program that absolutely loved him, and he said the other night on Leno that he's happy with where he's at right now.
IlliBraves
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And this day just continues to get better! IU loses at home to Wisconsin, 68-66.
Kelvin Sampson gets more boos than cheers at the game in Bloomington tonight. Then Indiana proceeds to lose at home to Wisconsin. After the game, Kelvin Sampson denied all the charges the NCAA released today against him. I guess that means he thinks all the recruits and their families that were interviewed by the NCAA must all be mistaken, or lying?
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/recap?gid=200802130271
And many former Hoosiers, and many in the media are calling for the firing of Sampson--
Allegations of violations upset former Hoosiers
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=3244783
HUTSELL: Say bye Kelvin, you??™ve done more than enough
http://www.news-tribune.net/localsports/local_story_044221855.html?keyword=topstory
Sampson losing benefit of the doubt among Hoosier fans
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=351664
CBSSportsline: Gregg Doyel--Indiana has no choice, it must fire Sampson -- now--
http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/10639416
Sun Times- Greg Couch-- Goodbye to Sampson, IU's good name
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/couch/792965,greg021308.article
MSNBC: SAMPSON'S NOT LONG FOR INDIANA--
http://beyondthearc.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/13/662523.aspx
ESPN's Andy Katz--Possible options for Indiana--
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blo...spn/blog/index?entryID=3244312&name=katz_andy
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/recap?gid=200802130271
And many former Hoosiers, and many in the media are calling for the firing of Sampson--
Allegations of violations upset former Hoosiers
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=3244783
HUTSELL: Say bye Kelvin, you??™ve done more than enough
http://www.news-tribune.net/localsports/local_story_044221855.html?keyword=topstory
Sampson losing benefit of the doubt among Hoosier fans
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=351664
CBSSportsline: Gregg Doyel--Indiana has no choice, it must fire Sampson -- now--
http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/10639416
Sun Times- Greg Couch-- Goodbye to Sampson, IU's good name
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/couch/792965,greg021308.article
MSNBC: SAMPSON'S NOT LONG FOR INDIANA--
http://beyondthearc.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/13/662523.aspx
ESPN's Andy Katz--Possible options for Indiana--
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blo...spn/blog/index?entryID=3244312&name=katz_andy
Here is the hometown newspaper (actually Indianapolis, not Bloomington), and they come down very hard on Sampson and IU.
It's time for IU to cleanse itself of the slime
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080214/COLUMNISTS01/802140501/
Here is what one Indiana insider expects will happen--
Since they are expecting to receive a 1 or 2 year post-season ban as a penalty from the NCAA, this insider believes they will not fire Sampson until after the season. Perhaps after the NCAA hearing in June, but maybe sooner, like as soon as the season ends. That way Indiana may be able to salvage this season, and at least play in the NCAA tournament this year, and still come out looking proactive by firing Sampson before they are forced to do so.
Then, there is a good chance that AD Rick Greenspan will also get the axe for his hiring of a known cheater, and for his handling of the whole mess. It just looks better for the University to cleanse itself of the entire cast of characters.
Then a new coaching search will begin. Here are some names that will likely be mentioned--
Bobby Knight- to some people, it makes sense. But this will never happen.
Steve Alford- he is just finishing his first season at New Mexico, but would probably jump at the chance to return to the Big Ten at his Alma Mater.
Scott Drew- Baylor coach; squeaky clean; good coach
Ray McCallum- the only legitimate head coaching candidate among the original IU assistant coaches who has not been implicated in this scandal. This is not likely, as boosters want a clean slate.
Dan Dakich- hired earlier this year as a replacement for Rob Senderoff, the first assistant to leave because of this scandal. Dakich is not involved in the cheating, but again, boosters will probably want a clean slate.
Dane Fife- former IU overachiever, 2nd year coach at IPFW. He is only 28, and not likely a serious candidate as head coach at one of the top programs in D1.
Randy Wittman- another former IU player, now head coach of the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Scott Skiles- he is currently unemployed. A former Indiana high school legend who lead his high school team (Plymouth) to the 1-class state championship in Indiana in 1982. They were the smallest school to win under the old 1-class system, since Milan in 1954. He lead the state in scoring at 30.2 ppg. But he went to Michigan State, and has never been associated with IU. Also, he has never coached at the college level. Also, he has drug arrets in his past for cocaine, marajuana, and alcohol.
Larry Brown- also currently unemployed, and a proven winner who has never been associated with scandal.
Pat Knight- a former IU player, and son of Bobby Knight. He has a total of 1 win as a college coach, but he has a lot of friends at IU. But this is as unlikely as Bob Knight returning.
Quinn Buckner- former IU player. No experience.
Other head coaches elsewhere- Sean Miller (Xavier), Chris Lowery (SIU), Brad Brownell (Wright St.),
Current assistants- Johnny Dawkins or Chris Collins (Duke). Their names always get mentioned, but they have no connection to IU, but then neither did Kelvin Sampson. But if they go after an outsider, it will likely be a successful head coach.
It's time for IU to cleanse itself of the slime
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080214/COLUMNISTS01/802140501/
Here is what one Indiana insider expects will happen--
Since they are expecting to receive a 1 or 2 year post-season ban as a penalty from the NCAA, this insider believes they will not fire Sampson until after the season. Perhaps after the NCAA hearing in June, but maybe sooner, like as soon as the season ends. That way Indiana may be able to salvage this season, and at least play in the NCAA tournament this year, and still come out looking proactive by firing Sampson before they are forced to do so.
Then, there is a good chance that AD Rick Greenspan will also get the axe for his hiring of a known cheater, and for his handling of the whole mess. It just looks better for the University to cleanse itself of the entire cast of characters.
Then a new coaching search will begin. Here are some names that will likely be mentioned--
Bobby Knight- to some people, it makes sense. But this will never happen.
Steve Alford- he is just finishing his first season at New Mexico, but would probably jump at the chance to return to the Big Ten at his Alma Mater.
Scott Drew- Baylor coach; squeaky clean; good coach
Ray McCallum- the only legitimate head coaching candidate among the original IU assistant coaches who has not been implicated in this scandal. This is not likely, as boosters want a clean slate.
Dan Dakich- hired earlier this year as a replacement for Rob Senderoff, the first assistant to leave because of this scandal. Dakich is not involved in the cheating, but again, boosters will probably want a clean slate.
Dane Fife- former IU overachiever, 2nd year coach at IPFW. He is only 28, and not likely a serious candidate as head coach at one of the top programs in D1.
Randy Wittman- another former IU player, now head coach of the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Scott Skiles- he is currently unemployed. A former Indiana high school legend who lead his high school team (Plymouth) to the 1-class state championship in Indiana in 1982. They were the smallest school to win under the old 1-class system, since Milan in 1954. He lead the state in scoring at 30.2 ppg. But he went to Michigan State, and has never been associated with IU. Also, he has never coached at the college level. Also, he has drug arrets in his past for cocaine, marajuana, and alcohol.
Larry Brown- also currently unemployed, and a proven winner who has never been associated with scandal.
Pat Knight- a former IU player, and son of Bobby Knight. He has a total of 1 win as a college coach, but he has a lot of friends at IU. But this is as unlikely as Bob Knight returning.
Quinn Buckner- former IU player. No experience.
Other head coaches elsewhere- Sean Miller (Xavier), Chris Lowery (SIU), Brad Brownell (Wright St.),
Current assistants- Johnny Dawkins or Chris Collins (Duke). Their names always get mentioned, but they have no connection to IU, but then neither did Kelvin Sampson. But if they go after an outsider, it will likely be a successful head coach.
OrangeandBlack74
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Today's ESPN.com column on the Sampson debacle at IU...
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=3244843&sportCat=ncb
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=3244843&sportCat=ncb
Big Ten has a hands off policy of hiring people from conference schools.
Some say this is exactly why Alford left Iowa, when the proverbial **************** hit the fan at Indiana he wouldn't be employed as head coach at another Big 10 school, he could then make the move Indiana.
tornado
New member
Two other names that have cropped up...Bruce Pearl and Tom Crean...
IU could throw big booster money around and get who they want....
One other tidbit from the NCAA news releases, that people at Purdue blew the whistle on the illegal phone calls to present Purdue freshmen Robbie Hummel and Scott Martin, and also blew the facts about the freebies given to Derrick Elston.
Nice to see that one program is confident enough to throw thge flag when they see the scum at IU.
Now IU's top recruit for next year is in limbo. He feels he was lied to because all along he's being told by IU and KS that the violations were minor and that the NCAA won't act.
Now it is pretty apparent this is not the case, and Ebanks is weighing his options.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/kevin_armstrong/02/14/indiana.recruit/index.html
IU could throw big booster money around and get who they want....
One other tidbit from the NCAA news releases, that people at Purdue blew the whistle on the illegal phone calls to present Purdue freshmen Robbie Hummel and Scott Martin, and also blew the facts about the freebies given to Derrick Elston.
Nice to see that one program is confident enough to throw thge flag when they see the scum at IU.
Now IU's top recruit for next year is in limbo. He feels he was lied to because all along he's being told by IU and KS that the violations were minor and that the NCAA won't act.
Now it is pretty apparent this is not the case, and Ebanks is weighing his options.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/kevin_armstrong/02/14/indiana.recruit/index.html
Dallas Brave
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Maybe they all simply "mis-remembered." I hear Rocket's legal team is flying up to Bloomington to begin building "Klepto Kelvin's" defense strategy
