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Illinois up early on Wisconsin

Not sure the full validity, but BW, on the SCORE the other day mentioned that the Illini are top 4 in the nation in terms of the number of wins vs top 20 RPI teams.

I believe they got really lucky in this area. They beat Wisky and Michigan State without maybe their best players. They beat Vandy when they weren't as good. I'll give them credit for the comeback against Clemson on the road, and Wisky today (although they played their worst game of the year and it wasn't because of Illinois), but that is it. They also lost at home a lot.

If you really start breaking the Illini down, they have had a lot break their way this year, as much as they have tried to shoot themselves in the foot. They have had 0 real injuries this year....how many teams can say that??
 
Also the fact that a 19-14 record is "a lock" to get in the tourny if they lose tomorrow is a joke. If their name wasn't Illinois they wouldn't be near a lock, their RPI and SOS are high, they played inconsistent all year and poor down the stretch. They also practically gave that game away when they needed it most. I think WSU should get more consideration if UofI is a lock. The eye test thing is a big joke to get the big boys in.

And the fact that they won 10 games in a BCS Conf and finished 5th. I know, not enough in some people's eyes. However, no way the NCAA pisses off Delaney and the conference after this win.
 
They were very inconsistent. Perhaps there needs to be a measure of that as an unqualifier. Not sure the full validity, but BW, on the SCORE the other day mentioned that the Illini are top 4 in the nation in terms of the number of wins vs top 20 RPI teams. I do not think there is a question the Illini could pull upsets, but are they really going to bring their best basketball to the NCAA's?

As of right now...

UIUC is 72 in the RPI (after beating Wisky today)

UIUC's top 50 RPI Wins:
#20 vs Wisky
#20 at Wisky
#22 Vandy
#24 Mich St
#33 at Clemson

Vandy plays #99 Georgia today, a loss could drop them out of the top 25.
Mich St plays #74 Minnesota, a loss might drop them out of the top 25.
 
Illini 58 - Badgers 54
Tisdale, McCamey, & DJ have good games, Wisconsin shot very poorly...
Hard to believe Wisconsin shot 28.6% and Illinois shot 52.5%, yet the game went right down to the wire...
Illini turned the ball over too much......
 
Watching the Big East Tournament last night it said that Illinois was one of the last 4 in. I think this win may have solidified their berth. That will be 3 NCAA teams that we have beat this year!
 
I don't enjoy the Illini ever winning, but I LOVE making money. This was the LOCK of the week!

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I'm a college hoops fan in Illinois and I NEVER root for UIUC - no matter what. (well, I guess I'll be happy for Bert... but that's all).
 
I am glad they won:!: I thought B Weber coached a good game all but the last two Min's. I just did not understand WAY you would have the ball in Tisdales hands so much:doubt: If he Weber wanted him in the game, you would think he would have had him parked under the basket, not down court, taking a inbound pass's in a corner with them pressing:-o Also he had Cole and Davis playing to. You think Weber would of had guards in there when they started pressing them and with the lead:!:
Anyway this locks them in the dance. I am glad for a lot of reasons. It would of been embarrassing to have NO Illinois team in the big one:oops: We have two P town kids playing:D And I am happy for Bruce Weber. who is a good coach and what he has done with this Young Team:D
 
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I am glad they one:!: I thought B Weber coached a good game all but the last two Min's. I just did not understand WAY you would have the ball in Tisdales hands so much:doubt: If he Weber wanted him in the game, you would think he would have had him parked under the basket, not down court, taking a inbound pass's in a corner with them pressing:-o Also he had Cole and Davis playing to. You think Weber would of had guards in there when they started pressing them and with the lead:!:
Anyway this locks them in the dance. I am glad for a lot of reasons. It would of been embarrassing to have NO Illinois team in the big one:oops: We have two P town kids playing:D And I am happy for Bruce Weber. who is a good coach and what he has done with this Young Team:D

Yeah IMO illinois will peak next year...and maintain it with all the kids they have coming in.

This game started to remind me of Illinois Arizona in 2005....:eek:

And if you think Bradley has had such a roller coaster year and you can't stand it....be glad you aren't an Illini fan. (Their rollercoaster goes up twice as high and tickles your stomach twice as much)
 
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Since this is sort of a Big Ten thread....I thought I'd post this here rather than a new thread..

but Indiana coach Tom Crean was interviewed yesterday by Sports Illustrated...and a few of his answers are interesting...

--first he moans and whines about how his current season was ruined because he lost Maurice Creek and Matt Roth to injury...
"We played the entire Big Ten without Maurice Creek and without one of the best shooters probably in the entire Midwest, Matt Roth. Those things are hard deals."

duhh...OK, but we seem to always be told you can't use injuries as an excuse...
but anyway...
in the only two games that Matt Roth played (and they were cupcakes so the starters were NOT needed), he only logged 4 minutes and 7 minutes, and he only took on 3-point shot and missed it....so I am not convinced his presence would have made a whole lot of difference...
Then....I have to admit the loss of Creek was tough, but the kid was just a freshman and even with Creek IU had still lost to Loyola of Maryland, Boston U., George Mason, and others...
But - seriously - the guys Crean had starting and playing ahead of Roth anyway were guys like Jeremiah Rivers, Tom Pritchard, Devan Dumes, Derrick Elston...all of whom had terrible years and were terribly unproductive...
So if MR couldn't even get but 4 minutes of playing time and those are the guys he'd have been playing behind, how come Crean is whining so loud about losing Roth?

--then there's a discussion about signing guys just to fill an empty roster...guys that maybe don't have Big Ten talent...
Crean even says...
"We got the point to where we had nobody here"
(recall, Matt Roth was already in the fold when Crean got there...)
"We had to fill the team so we had enough guys to play games.
Some of those guys have done fine. Verdell Jones is getting better every day."

...so he labels many of his players (the only one he seems to leave out of this is Jones) as not having "done fine"...

--Then Crean addresses what's being said about him on message boards!!
".. on the outside—message boards, talk shows, blogs—it turned negative faster than might have been anticipated. Have you felt that, and is it faster than you anticipated?

TC: My only thing there would be to caution anybody that's looked at it that way—they don't have anything to go back on. It hasn't happened. This is as close to the SMU football situation as it is anything else. And that was so long ago.
There were times this year that I could not stomach that we did not play with the energy and the toughness, even at our age, that we needed to play with. Part of that is youth. Part of that is inexperience. A huge part of that is lack of leadership. And that's real, and it's something that's got to be addressed. You can't compare us to other programs in the country ..."



so he compares his program to SMU that was dealt the death penalty by NCAA - and their players were forced to leave and the entire football program shut down??
Gimme a freakin' break...the NCAA didn't do a thing to Indiana....all their woes were brough about by their own greed and cheating!!..and they still have a roster full of 3-Star and 4-Star players!!!
http://www.sportingnews.com/college.../tom-crean-you-cant-compare-us-other-programs


Then in Crean's post game interview he addresses all the same stuff...but adds a bit more...suggesting an overhaul of current personnel.......

..."I had to get a lot of bodies in here over the last 2 years just to field a team, which has made us really bottom heavy. I have to find a way to make sure we're not back in this position again in a few years (losing 6 or 7 guys in a class to graduation). There is a lot of talent on the horizon and we have to be able to find a way to get them to commit and then make sure there's a schollie for them."

....With the Roth redshirt, we now have 7 schollies in one class!
It seems to me Crean is implying, rightfully so, that some in this heavy class are going to have to find somewhere else to go to make room for kids in '11 and '12. I would be shocked if we didn't at least lose 2 or maybe 3 kids from this 7 man '09 class over the next 2 years. If we don't, we won't be able to take advantage of the rich '11 and especially '12 classes and could be looking at a huge turnover when 7 kids leave the program at once and another major rebuild.

..I think he will want to hold Hulls, Elston, Watford, Creek and Capo together, but he wouldn't shed many tears if Roth and Bawa left...




Crean also talks about who he going out to recruit...and thathe needs open scholarships right now!
"I think we have a lot of needs, Bob. And I think we’ve gotta develop the bigs that we have.
We’ve got a very tough situation right now in the sense, if people have followed our program at all,

But I look at our team and we also need somebody that’s better at getting in the lane.
We need somebody that can get in the lane and create havoc, that can get into that paint
and make decisions to get the ball to shooters.
......we’re not anywhere close to being done recruiting. And that’ll pick up again tomorrow in a big way.
We’re going to address it. We have been and at the same time I have to sit here and look ahead into the future
and figure out okay, how are we going to have to not do this again. That’s what’s hard because
there’s a lot of good young players that we’re recruiting that we want and we’ve gotta make sure that we get those
and we’ve gotta make sure we have the ability to sign them when they’re ready to come.”
 
Someone needs to tell him that according to the rules here, he isn't allowed to use those excuses.
 
BU will also be in a November tournament, but they aren't saying which one yet. :o

I wish I could find out what tournament. I wish we knew if we were playing Butler, or who we are playing in the MVC-MWC challenge. I'm anxious to find out these things. :D

If things align right just with those 3 things we would have a tremendous schedule. Plus the rumors of St. Mary's and Villanova, and possibly playing Drexel, and hopefully a good BB game next year, Man this could be an exciting top of the line schedule!
 
Illinois might not be quite in yet. They are still last 4 in, and UTEP is about to lose to Houston in the CUSA tourny. With potential bid stealers still out there, and a potential loss today they will probably be right on the border, especially if they lose by a significant margin. If Minnesota wins today and Illinois losses do they pass them up?? Lot of questions still on that bubble one day before Selection Sunday.

UTEP-73 Houston-81 Final
 
Illinois might not be quite in yet. They are still last 4 in, and UTEP is about to lose to Houston in the CUSA tourny. With potential bid stealers still out there, and a potential loss today they will probably be right on the border, especially if they lose by a significant margin. If Minnesota wins today and Illinois losses do they pass them up?? Lot of questions still on that bubble one day before Selection Sunday.

UTEP-73 Houston-81 Final

I don't know about Miinesota...the have:

Quality wins:

Ohio State
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Butler?

All these were at home or neutral courts.

Bad Losses:

I guess @ Indiana...I don't think their non-con losses are bad.

I dunno!
 
I don't know about Miinesota...the have:

Quality wins:

Ohio State
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Butler?

All these were at home or neutral courts.

Bad Losses:

I guess @ Indiana...I don't think their non-con losses are bad.

I dunno!

The fact that Minnesota won their only matchup with Illinois AT Illinois this year could be a big factor too...If they beat Purdue they could very well pass up Illinois.
 
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