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Just for the record, just having a strong basketball program (which I believe we do) wouldn't be enough to save Bradley from reclassification as a Div. II school when the NCAA decides to redefine the guidelines for being a Div. I school. The classifications are based on a number of things, but the primary qualification is the number of varsity sports the school offers.

As is stands now, Bradley sponsors 13 varsity sports (6 men's and 7 women's). I'm not sure what the minimum is right now, but If the NCAA decided to raise the standards to require a minimum of 14 varsity sports, Bradley would have to either add a sport or be reclassified. And of course, I wouldn't be as simple as just adding one sport, because if they were to add a men's sport they would have to add at least one more women's sport to comply with Title IX.

Now I would assume when the time comes and Div. I is redefined, Bradley will take the necessary steps to comply with any new requirements, but the fact is, just being one of the better basketball school means nothing when it comes to reclassification.
 
I don't go that board anymore cause you wind up with flame threads with flame posts on a flame board.

Ba-bye flamers.
 
I would say CU, SIU, DU (under Davis & Son), and UNI were all more stable programs than BU over the past 5 seasons.
 
tornado said:
BU is top 50-100 all time in wins, attendance, and post season appearances
...add to that a very, very large, strong and LOYAL fan base...

They won't be DII anytime soon...much to the dismay of the guy who started that thread...
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First of all, I started the thread, and while I don't post a lot, most of the regulars around here know I've been posting on here for the last three years. Secondly, absolutely nowhere did I even mention D2, nor the fact that I think JL should go. I simply stated what his record was, and that it would not be good enough at alot of high profile programs. For what it's worth, I think he's done OK.

I later posted that head coach at BU is a plum job, and stated my case why this is so.
 
Disturbed said:
First of all, I started the thread, and while I don't post a lot, most of the regulars around here know I've been posting on here for the last three years. Secondly, absolutely nowhere did I even mention D2, nor the fact that I think JL should go. I simply stated what his record was, and that it would not be good enough at alot of high profile programs. For what it's worth, I think he's done OK.

I later posted that head coach at BU is a plum job, and stated my case why this is so.
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You are right. A .500 record, sub .500 conference record, 0 conference titles and 1 NCAA appearance in 7 years would be grounds for dismissal for a lot of schools. At the very least, it would be grounds for a very hot seat. It all depends on what your standard of success is. BU's used to be pretty high. Now I think it's mediocre. It is what it is. Let's win Arch Madness and maybe the discussion changes.
 
MacabreMob said:
I don't go that board anymore cause you wind up with flame threads with flame posts on a flame board.

Ba-bye flamers.
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LOL... I usually dont go to that board but it is a slow day so I checked it out... yep there are some flame posts... But, as much as I bash KW and the PJS, I have to say that KW's post was good.

as for some of the other posts...c ya flamers..wouldn't want to be ya.:-P
 
BradleyBrave said:
You are right. A .500 record, sub .500 conference record, 0 conference titles and 1 NCAA appearance in 7 years would be grounds for dismissal for a lot of schools. At the very least, it would be grounds for a very hot seat. It all depends on what your standard of success is. BU's used to be pretty high. Now I think it's mediocre. It is what it is. Let's win Arch Madness and maybe the discussion changes.
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You can say it is mediocre, but I would prefer improving... The facilities and a continued commitment from the administration are the next steps.
 
amettrick said:
Just for the record, just having a strong basketball program (which I believe we do) wouldn't be enough to save Bradley from reclassification as a Div. II school when the NCAA decides to redefine the guidelines for being a Div. I school. The classifications are based on a number of things, but the primary qualification is the number of varsity sports the school offers.

As is stands now, Bradley sponsors 13 varsity sports (6 men's and 7 women's). I'm not sure what the minimum is right now, but If the NCAA decided to raise the standards to require a minimum of 14 varsity sports, Bradley would have to either add a sport or be reclassified. And of course, I wouldn't be as simple as just adding one sport, because if they were to add a men's sport they would have to add at least one more women's sport to comply with Title IX.

Now I would assume when the time comes and Div. I is redefined, Bradley will take the necessary steps to comply with any new requirements, but the fact is, just being one of the better basketball school means nothing when it comes to reclassification.
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This has been my biggest concern. I don't think BU would be forced to go to D-II. . .in all likelihood they would jump at the opportunity to create a 2nd tier for DI, like FBS/FCS or the "college" division from the 50's and 60's.

I would hope fellow MVC members that do play football have contingency plans for that very possibility.

That said, over the past six months, I've started to warm to the idea of playing something like I-AA basketball. MVC members would be competing for national championships in multiple sports.
 
I think BU would be pretty resistant to going out of the top basketball competition. The administration has stated a few times at least that they've found a direct correlation to improved basketball exposure being the school's very best form of advertising outside of the local area.

Competing for a sort of "also-ran" championship wouldn't help you here. While I liked the CBI and would consider an NIT appearance to be a big win for the program this year, you get the exposure by playing in the big dance.
 
SIU has 9 NCAA Tournament appearances in 17 years (assuming they don't win the MVCT this year).
 
Lake Camelot is correct. Most of SIUs success has only been this past decade or so. Their longer-term basketball history cannot hold a candle to Bradley's. I really wish people wouldn't ridicule others' opinions here.

And Drake has only had 1 good year in the past 25 years. Prior to 2007, they hadn't even had a winning season since the 80's. I sincerely doubt anyone here would be happy with Bradley if they had just 1 good year in the last 25 years. And Drake was 0 for the 2008 NCAA tournament. Bradley has a Sweet 16 run that puts Drakes season to shame.

UNI had a nice run under McDermott, but they were pretty bad for a lot of years before that, and haven't made the NCAA again since 2006 when they were also one and done.
I wouldn't trade where Bradley is for any other school's situation now except Creighton. They are what all MVC teams strive to be.
 
Biff said:
Lake Camelot is correct. Most of SIUs success has only been this past decade or so. Their longer-term basketball history cannot hold a candle to Bradley's.
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So you would rather have 2 NCAA appearances in the last 17 years as opposed to 9 in the last 17 years like SIU has had?
 
Biff said:
Lake Camelot is correct. Most of SIUs success has only been this past decade or so. Their longer-term basketball history cannot hold a candle to Bradley's. I really wish people wouldn't ridicule others' opinions here.

And Drake has only had 1 good year in the past 25 years. Prior to 2007, they hadn't even had a winning season since the 80's. I sincerely doubt anyone here would be happy with Bradley if they had just 1 good year in the last 25 years. And Drake was 0 for the 2008 NCAA tournament. Bradley has a Sweet 16 run that puts Drakes season to shame.

UNI had a nice run under McDermott, but they were pretty bad for a lot of years before that, and haven't made the NCAA again since 2006 when they were also one and done.
I wouldn't trade where Bradley is for any other school's situation now except Creighton. They are what all MVC teams strive to be.
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SIU came from the "College" division and has been DI a little more than 30 years, but have seldom been terrible. They won the 1967 NIT as a smaller division school.
 
MacabreMob said:
Yea... you could really see it building. That dip from 7 conference wins down to 5 then up to 6.... Everyone KNEW they were gonna be a "world-beater". LOL!
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I know tornado and squirrel saw it coming. Drake's numbers against BU in 2007 were better than anybody elses.
 
southpaw nothin said:
I know tornado and squirrel saw it coming. Drake's numbers against BU in 2007 were better than anybody elses.
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So 1 year was the indicator. Those other 3 were just nothing. Or does 3 bad years... one bad-but/full/of/indicators/something/goods/coming... and one good year means a program has more stability than another in a 5 year span?

Ok, man. Whatever you say. ;)
 
southpaw nothin said:
I know tornado and squirrel saw it coming. Drake's numbers against BU in 2007 were better than anybody elses.
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Early on in JL's tenure, Drake and Dr. Tom owned us. The 2 years we played in under Les, it was primarily because Drake swept us both years. If we just took care of business at home against Drake, we don't play in. Even the Sweet 16 year we couldn't win at lowly Drake.
 
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