Well, cite me some direct sources that quote JL's criticism towards Coach Stowell. I don't make hearsay comments about someone unless I have proof in front of me. No disrespect against you amckillip, but I'd like to see some proof first before I interject my opinions about someone.
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Great Article on Coach Stowell's double firing from BU
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Well, cite me some direct sources that quote JL's criticism towards Coach Stowell. I don't make hearsay comments about someone unless I have proof in front of me. No disrespect against you amckillip, but I'd like to see some proof first before I interject my opinions about someone.
AE Braves Fan
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I know many Obama voters that think they voted for something else. Bradley fans who wanted change don't have to blindly love every move made. There is no inconsistency.
It's not all or nothing. If you didn't want KK to leave it's okay to not support JG's decision.
It's not going to exist, JL is no fool. You don't have to take my word for it, or anyone else's on here, but even the JL supporters, whose camp I fall in, have admitted in this thread that there is no love lost between JL and Stowell...
Yeah I have heard that phrase before along with a couple others. The thing is that I believe that our diploma is already worth more than most schools similar to us or near us. We constantly are ranked high in publications under many catagories. Placement rates are high, graduation rates are high, retention rates are high, admission applications are high and so on. You get alot of bang for your buck here at Bradley. Good people in alot of departments are responsible for this. If we really do want to double our enrollment it would not be hard since we turn away alot of applications. If the pres wants to increase enrollment then thats great but problems will pop up in housing and parking.
Same goes for athletics...alot of good people who put a winnning product on the field and met other school requirements at the time have been ran off or replaced. Now you add the Stowell situation and all you can say is, "who is next?"
Good people who helped Bradley reach these heights, on and off an athletic field, and helped form the history/tradition are now gone. She certainly has the right to replace all these successful people. That still does not make it the right decision.
There are some on here who do not believe that. In fact they will tell you that TRUE FANS agree with every move the University makes.
You OK Benni:-o We agree on all the aboveIs there a chance we have the same Mama:? What do you look like:?: Are you about 5'11, brown eyes, 190 lbs, white on top and have bowled legs
If not, it really does not mean we are not bothers, just that we may have different Daddy's8) JK, Man, JK :lol:
It sounds like we may be brothers from a different mother! :lol: I got the height genes though... I'm between 6'4-6'5! 8)
Buesch N Chips
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No one would say that. I think the differences are more how we react when we disagree with a move they make.
tornado
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First -- I did not ask for Joe Stowell to be left off a committee or whatever -- This isn't my plan, but it's done - and we move on...
It does not and will not affect his livelihood and it was going to happen sooner or later --
But to you consistency is making the decision you'd make each time?
That's a pretty odd definition --
I think through each decision I make and that way I can be sure I have it right regardless of the knee-jerk criticism that always shows up with whatever decision anyone makes.
I didn't want to see Molinari fired (I have said that many times before) and there have been many personnel changes I was not in favor of....
(although I have never turned on the university as some have and withdrawn my support or loyalty)
If my decisions can be defined in any way -- they don't toe the line of what you or anyone else think I should decide -- they are based on the facts as they exist at the time....I reason it out and decide, I don't jump to conclusions based on someone's predetermined bias.
Had Ken Kavanagh been 84 years old and had he been left off the broadcast team by the station (not by BU) after decades of opportunity to do it, and had he simply rotated off the committee to let new blood on, while still fully allowed to keep doing everything he was doing at BU -- then I guess I'd have had no problem with it at all.........but KK was treated in a vastly different way and his story is simply nowhere near comparable...
He was one of the best in his business (he was not in a declining phase as proven by the fact that he immediately applied for and beat out 75 other candidates for a top job elsewhere) and was 100% loyal to BU.
Based on what I know and knew then, I make my decisions, and if you don't see "consistency" in your eyes, then that's your right.
I will discuss more privately but for now this is done and we move on...I haven't brought up the KK thing in a year -- so in the same manner, we move on and support the Bradley Braves!
Best point yet...wanting change in the dept. and getting rid of Coach Stowell on the radio aren't the same thing. Now, I was never one advocating all kinds of change. Im just agreeing with your point DRU.
Its like major league sports franchises trying to save money by cutting back three marketing interns yet still paying the players ridiculous amounts.
BradleyBrave
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gak...love the screen name. Great episode!
I have been told that in posts and by private message on this board.
Boy I hate to weigh in here...
Because I havent read all 30 pages of this thread
This is a complex issue obviously that doesnt fit into the cookie cutter of where all of us come down..
I just hope that it works out.
CB and Coach Stowell provided very astute basketball analysis
DA has a lot to do to catch up to that. Lets hope he gets excited about it, and excells at it.
Because I havent read all 30 pages of this thread
This is a complex issue obviously that doesnt fit into the cookie cutter of where all of us come down..
I just hope that it works out.
CB and Coach Stowell provided very astute basketball analysis
DA has a lot to do to catch up to that. Lets hope he gets excited about it, and excells at it.
Dallas Brave
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There was an earlier comment from one of the posters about the civility of the thread. I think the conversation has been civil, but there have been a lot of wildly speculative rants going on beginning with the title of the thread “double firing from BU” which is very inaccurate.
There were two events:
There were two events:
- WMBD fired Coach Stowell.
- BU did not renew Coach Stowell ‘s HOF committee membership after it expired. A move the school also did with two other members.
squirrelgotdead
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Interesting point, DB. . .
I think one issue that Bradley has always sort of had to deal with RE: Stowell is the fact he's provided a lifetime of service to BU. During that lifetime of service, he has probably never been paid adequately. When he was a coach, in some respects he was provided limited resources and in a sense set up to fail. However, time and again, Bradley has offered him other opportunities to serve and enhance Bradley University. And he has done so.
I also think it is with a sense of appreciation and obligation that Bradley has continued to allow Stowell to serve. And as SRW points out. . .the intricacies and sensitivities of the Stowell situation are incredibly complicated.
Does anyone know if anybody in athletics was granted Emeriti Status when the Phys Ed program was eliminated?
tornado
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nope -- even KW concedes they were two separate events that happened unrelated about a month and a half apart....
BTW -- Coach Stowell still is doing the women's games, and let me help some of you out here...
Coach Joe Stowell has been honored and loved by BU like virtually no other person...
--Bradley has BESTOWED Hall of Fame status to Joe Stowell since (get this) March 7, 1959!!
That's right, he's been a HOF'er at BU for 51 years -- he has BOTH a plaque and a permanent photo induction honor...
There are very FEW BU athletes or coaches who were inducted LONGER ago than Coach Stowell.
http://www.bradleybraves.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=3400&ATCLID=3666568
--Bradley has also helped assure that Coach Stowell has been prominently inducted into the Greater Peoria Hall of Fame as well......within the first few years inductions were made back in the 80's
http://www.gpshof.org/Inductees/stowell.html
--They have even further HONORED Joe Stowell and his name by recently PLACING his name on one of the TOP AWARDS in the entire Athletic Department and naming it the
.... Coach Joe Stowell Award
http://www.bradleybraves.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=3400&KEY=&ATCLID=883026
...and they've even given him other awards also -- and writeups in the Hilltopics, making him the "Honored Guest" and various luncheons and other events,
and other things named after him...and BU has set up the.........
Coach Joe Stowell Scholarship Fund at Bradley ...and use the funds donated to it for various things like helping to send kids from the community to the Mitchell JJ Anderson basketball camps, the Carevr Center, and BU scholarships...
On August 13, 2008, at one event...
"Former Bradley player Bobby Humbles (presented) Coach Stowell with a lifetime achievement award"
...and made "..a donation to the Coach Joe Stowell Scholarship Fund at Bradley"...
and on and on it goes......anyone who says Bradley has NOT honored Coach Stowell is absolutely wrong and uninformed (or lying)..
he's perhaps the most honored and multiply awarded person in BU history!! Congratulations Coach Stowell -- you deserved ALL these awards!!
BTW -- Coach Stowell still is doing the women's games, and let me help some of you out here...
Coach Joe Stowell has been honored and loved by BU like virtually no other person...
--Bradley has BESTOWED Hall of Fame status to Joe Stowell since (get this) March 7, 1959!!
That's right, he's been a HOF'er at BU for 51 years -- he has BOTH a plaque and a permanent photo induction honor...
There are very FEW BU athletes or coaches who were inducted LONGER ago than Coach Stowell.
http://www.bradleybraves.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=3400&ATCLID=3666568
--Bradley has also helped assure that Coach Stowell has been prominently inducted into the Greater Peoria Hall of Fame as well......within the first few years inductions were made back in the 80's
http://www.gpshof.org/Inductees/stowell.html
--They have even further HONORED Joe Stowell and his name by recently PLACING his name on one of the TOP AWARDS in the entire Athletic Department and naming it the
.... Coach Joe Stowell Award
http://www.bradleybraves.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=3400&KEY=&ATCLID=883026
...and they've even given him other awards also -- and writeups in the Hilltopics, making him the "Honored Guest" and various luncheons and other events,
and other things named after him...and BU has set up the.........
Coach Joe Stowell Scholarship Fund at Bradley ...and use the funds donated to it for various things like helping to send kids from the community to the Mitchell JJ Anderson basketball camps, the Carevr Center, and BU scholarships...
On August 13, 2008, at one event...
"Former Bradley player Bobby Humbles (presented) Coach Stowell with a lifetime achievement award"
...and made "..a donation to the Coach Joe Stowell Scholarship Fund at Bradley"...
and on and on it goes......anyone who says Bradley has NOT honored Coach Stowell is absolutely wrong and uninformed (or lying)..
he's perhaps the most honored and multiply awarded person in BU history!! Congratulations Coach Stowell -- you deserved ALL these awards!!
Buesch N Chips
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I disagree. I think with this board, at its core, we have pro-JL people and anti-JL people, and the frustration over that sentiment (on both sides) tends to bleed into all other issues. But I do not believe that we have any people that hate BU. AT WORST, we may have people that tend to thrive when the current regime does poorly, so they can push their anti-JL stance. My opinion.
I think everyone here IS a BU fan. I also think some on here think you cannot be Pro-BU and still question decisions.
Its funny that there is even this continued discussion. I don't see why everyone feels its so important to try to investigate and then label another person a good fan, bad fan, BU fan, BU hater, etc.
I mean--why would anyone who hated Bradley, or wanted to see the University fail, or hated Jim Les personally spend their time on this, Bradley specific, message board? It makes no sense.
I take people at their word. If they say they are a Bradley fan and that they buy tickets, are an alum, etc. then that's what they are. I don't expect them to believe exactly as I believe. There are a lot of St. Louis Cardinal fans who I don't agree with all the time. They aren't any less a fan than I am, or vice versa.
Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp? Why is there so much emphasis put on trying to "figure out" everyone's exact loyalties? Seems like a lot of wasted time and stiffles intelligent, intriguing, and fun discussion.
I agree completely.
