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Gordon Hayward staying in NBA Draft

Or in the mold of Larry bird. I think he could make a better pro than ap because of his height. Incidentally you can't "FAIL" when you get a two year guaranteed NBA contract. Just ask pob.
 
I hope it works out better for him than it did for POB. I think we can now all agree that POB's early departure for the NBA was a mistake. He needed at least one, maybe 2 more years at the college level.
 
Dallas Brave said:
I think we can now all agree that POB's early departure for the NBA was a mistake. He needed at least one, maybe 2 more years at the college level.
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A mistake in terms of a productive/successful NBA career......possibly.

A mistake in terms of taking advantage of the timing/opportunity that was presented to him.......no.
 
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shaunguth said:
A mistake in terms of a productive/successful NBA career......yes.

A mistake in terms of taking advantage of the timing/opportunity that was presented to him.......no.
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Agreed, POB definitely maximized his earning potential. If a failure means making more in a few years than most people here will make in a lifetime sign me up to be success' enemy!
 
amckillip said:
Agreed, POB definitely maximized his earning potential. If a failure means making more in a few years than most people here will make in a lifetime sign me up to be success' enemy!
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I think just the opposite. POB practically minimized his actual NBA earnings for having been a lottery draft pick. If he had delayed going pro two years, he would have been much better postioned to have had a stronger rookie season and established the base for a 6-10 year pro career. As it was, he got minimal money and never established himself to get a a solid second contract which is where you begin to make serious money as a pro. By NBA lottery standards and by lifetime earning potential, he screwed up.
 
Dallas Brave said:
I think just the opposite. POB practically minimized his actual NBA earnings for having been a lottery draft pick. If he had delayed going pro two years, he would have been much better postioned to have had a stronger rookie season and established the base for a 6-10 year pro career. As it was, he got minimal money and never established himself to get a a solid second contract which is where you begin to make serious money as a pro. By NBA lottery standards and by lifetime earning potential, he screwed up.
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Disagree! He had much more practice time and individual instruction as a pro than he would have gotten while at BU. In fact, had he stayed, he might have been exposed for what he really was. Let's face it, POB is what he is. He was extremely smart to enter the draft while he was a hot commodity and in demand. I believe staying at BU might have COST him millions.
 
I am saying I don't think Gordon will have a prolonged career of success in the league. Not saying he won't make bank from the draft though.
 
Yeah, I guess for me, I don't see how two years at college make POB a better pro than two years in the pros... Playing more games against better competition. He's coming off his fourth season as a pro, and has made, I think, at least around $5M. I don't know why we would think that 2 more years at Bradley would have made his third season as a pro anything better than it was. I'd love nothing more than for POB to become a big-time NBA player, but after 4 years in the pros, I don't think how many years he chose to stay in college has anything to with it.

What it all tells me is that his stock was not likely to stay as high as it was in 2006 even if he stayed healthy... So he'd have been drafted lower, if at all, and made less money than he did, just to prove he's a marginal pro center.
 
thefish7 said:
Yeah, I guess for me, I don't see how two years at college make POB a better pro than two years in the pros... Playing more games against better competition. He's coming off his fourth season as a pro, and has made, I think, at least around $5M. I don't know why we would think that 2 more years at Bradley would have made his third season as a pro anything better than it was. I'd love nothing more than for POB to become a big-time NBA player, but after 4 years in the pros, I don't think how many years he chose to stay in college has anything to with it.

What it all tells me is that his stock was not likely to stay as high as it was in 2006 even if he stayed healthy... So he'd have been drafted lower, if at all, and made less money than he did, just to prove he's a marginal pro center.
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$7.39 Million to date... And he's likely to make money playing basketball for a while. Lets say you make a great salary out of college, 60k and assuming a 5% raise a year (generous) it would take 40 years of working to make that at a final salary over $400K, and lets not even get into the time value of money... Anyone still think he made the wrong decision???

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/obryapa01.html
 
amckillip said:
$7.39 Million to date... And he's likely to make money playing basketball for a while. Lets say you make a great salary out of college, 60k and assuming a 5% raise a year (generous) it would take 40 years of working to make that at a final salary over $400K, and lets not even get into the time value of money... Anyone still think he made the wrong decision???

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/obryapa01.html
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Who would think any of these kids have made the wrong decision financially?
 
amckillip said:
$7.39 Million to date... And he's likely to make money playing basketball for a while. Lets say you make a great salary out of college, 60k and assuming a 5% raise a year (generous) it would take 40 years of working to make that at a final salary over $400K, and lets not even get into the time value of money... Anyone still think he made the wrong decision???

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/obryapa01.html
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But POB's options were not to select between going to the NBA or taking an entry level sales trainne position at State Farm. His options were to go to the NBA at the end of his soph year, jr year, or sr year.

The fact that he has only made $7.39 million after 4 years supports my point. His contract with Golden State was $9.67 million for 4 years. His performance was so weak that GS opted out of the contract after two years and POB has been earning the 2 year veteran's minimum while sitting on the bench at Toronto for the last two years. His earning to date should be $9.7 million rather than $7.4 milion. So, he failed to realize almost $2.4 million in a contract that he had signed. At this point, he does not have a 2010-11 contract. If he does get one, it will be for the minimum.

Why did he fail at GS? Because he came out too early. He was certainly too weak physicially, and perhaps too immature, for the NBA game. Then, he had to deal with humiliation of being sent down the the Developmental League. What did that do for his psyche?

If he waits two years, he arrives at the NBA much stronger, mentally and physically, doesn't get released after his 2nd year in the NBA, earns all of the money in his 4 yr rookie contract, and then signs a multi-year contract for much more money. Rather than an NBA run that will perahps earn $8-9 million over his career, he had the potential, if he had waited, to earn $20+ million in my opinion.
 
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one DallasBrave. I just don't get your logic. Maybe it's because we have differing expectations of POB's abilities and potential. I just don't think he would have shown enough improvement had he stayed at BU to justify the contract that he DID get. I believe he would have been a late first round pick at best.

He now has both the strength and experience yet he still sits the bench and will be lucky to get the NBA minimum next year. I think the kid made the absolute right decision to go while he was hot. Staying would have been noble and all..... but there are too many examples of noble kids who destroyed their draft status by staying in school.... and this cost them millions.

And, just to stay on topic, I thank Hayward HAS the talent to be a good and lasting NBA player in the mold of an Anthony Parker.....maybe even a Reggie Miller.
 
BUfan14 said:
Good luck to Gordon, either way it will be interesting to follow his career.
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Hayward is unlike most of the players in the draft, a 6'9" finesse player with great shooting range. I was trying to think of other players like him in the NBA, and the closest I can think is Mike Dunleavy.
Dunleavy has had a very good career in the NBA, and one exceptional season in 2007-08 when he averaged 19.1 ppg and 5.2 rpg. Unfortunately, a knee injury caused him to miss most of the 2008-2009 season, and he hasn't been the same since then.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dunlemi02.html
 
Dallas Brave said:
But POB's options were not to select between going to the NBA or taking an entry level sales trainne position at State Farm. His options were to go to the NBA at the end of his soph year, jr year, or sr year.
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POB very well could have been a successful pro (he probably still can be). His problem was he was drafted by Golden State, and then they went and hired a coach who doesn't use a center. If they had any sense, they would have dealt him right after the draft. That really set him back. Blame Don Nelson.
 
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