Doublespeak on Where the Money comes from to Pay Enormous Coaches' Salaries

[georgethedog]

What state taxpayer money does a private school like Bradley get?


The Federal government does award grants to schools, public or private, but schools must compete for this federal money, and they must perform and meet standards set by the government. It is not just given to them with no strings like the pipeline of state taxpayer money that constantly feeds into the state schools.

BU gets a great amount of taxpayer dollars. Reality check here! If a student goes to Bradley and gets a Pell grant (which a lot of them do) that is taxpayer money. As a former Controller and Chief Financial Officer of more than one college, I learned most colleges (private or otherwise) are taxpayer supported in a significant way through federal/government grants given to students; who then give it to the college, who then use it to pay the bills of the college. For anyone out there bothering to read this, please don't even for one moment think that Bradley is a private college when it comes to funding operations. That is not true and never will be. I'm on vacation and read this and could not resist. I could go into great detail, but there is no sense in that. The fact is, BU and any other school that allows students to pay tuition, etc. using grant money from any governmental agency is publically funded. This is especially true for current operations (year to year budgets). A case could be made that BU is just as much a public school as ISU. Argument over. I'm out. Catch you as the season nears.

 

[tornado]

that is a very unrealistic comparison....and you can believe what you want and even offer the odd explanation of your choosing, but very few people, not even the state school crowd would agree with you......

Using your reasoning......if a lady on Medicare and Social Security spends the afternoon at the Paradice,
then by your logic, the Paradice receives Federal funding...and thus is supported by tax dollars and is a state run gambling establishment!

I think it is fair to state that Bradley DOES NOT receive direct Federal or state funding and never receives directly, any taxpayer money.

If some person who receives Federal or state money, then turns around and uses it to either pay their tuition at Bradley or buy something at the bookstore, then
this is so totally different from the actual context of what's being discussed here, that STATE schools DO received DIRECT funding of taxpayer dollars in order to operate their schools and cover the costs that would otherwise (and that are covered) be covered by raising the tuition, which of course is the MAIN and really the SOLE reason state schools have lower tuition than private schools (it sure isn't because the state schools run more efficiently or waste less!)

A case could be made that BU is just as much a public school as ISU.

I work in a job where people sometimes pay me with money that they received from the government, but it sure doesn't mean I receive FEDERAL funds, nor am I supported by tax dollars!
My business is definitely NOT a state business nor a tax-payer funded business.......


this all gets so silly if you think of a man who cashes his federal retirement check or his welfare check, then drops a few dollars in the collection plate at a church...
thus, per your definition, he has just made the church a government sponsored institution....because they are taking governemt money....contrary to the 2nd amendment!

 

[BU RICK]

Why does a university with higher learning like Bradley promote the par-a-dice? The par-a-dice is in business to take money from Peorians. How many bankruptcies have they caused in Peoria and the surrounding area. Why did the State of Illinois even legalize it - to make money by taxing them from the citizens losses.

 

[Da Coach]

A case could be made that BU is just as much a public school as ISU.

Not even close!
You use the argument of the occasional student who gets financial aid that is government backed. But all schools have these students. And if that student was not attending Bradley, chances are another private-paying student would be, so BU is not dependent on the state or federal money. On the contrary, every student at a state school receives a huge amount of taxpayer money to fund their education.

Here is the clincher- if the government stopped subsidizing universities today, ISU, U of Ill, WIU, EIU, NIU, SIU, Chicago State, and every other state school would shut their doors immediately.

Bradley and every other private school would continue to operate unchanged.

 

[tornado]

Why does a university with higher learning like Bradley promote the pair-a-dice? ...

whoa, this one kinda stuns me....can you tell me what you offer as evidence that Bradley "promotes the Paradice"?
I just checked the BU website, and not even a mention nor an ad for Paradice.
I even did a site search on bubraves.com and find not even a single match for the Par-a-dice.

If you are referring to Par-a-dice buying ads and sponsoring things, then I guess I can at least see what you mean...
but BU basketball will, and does sell advertising, and I am not sure how or where they'd draw the line if they decided to exclude certain restaurants and hotels just because of their links to a fully legal activity.

 

[QPS]

I think it is fair to state that Bradley DOES NOT receive direct Federal or state funding and never receives directly, any taxpayer money.

According to Bradley's federal tax return, Form 990, the school received $5,895,000 in "government contributions (grants)" for the year ended 5-31-2007.

A few years ago, I believe a federal grant paid for the Global Communication Center.

If you look at the proposed Illinois State Capital Spending budget, there is a $100 million line item for grants to private universities.

There are many way that BU and other private institutions receive funding from government agencies. The current public college system could not handle all the students in private schools plus the current students in public colleges. Thus, it makes sense for the government to pay some of the costs.

 

[tornado]

can you cite the link???
sure the government does allow and support the private institution doing what they'd otherwise have to play for themselves...
but these are NOT grants of federal dollars to cover or reduce kids' tuition....


and--even churches get Federal grants...
http://www.religionandsocialpolicy.org/news/article.cfm?id=1162

the grants pay for the service they are trying to achieve, but the grants are NOT intended to "support" the institution...

I think I agree with Da Coach...
if ALL federal and state tax money instantly disappeared today, all state schools would close immediately but all private schools would flourish!
Case closed.......

 

[BU RICK]

whoa, this one kinda stuns me....can you tell me what you offer as evidence that Bradley "promotes the Paradice"?
I just checked the BU website, and not even a mention nor an ad for Paradice.
I even did a site search on bubraves.com and find not even a single match for the Par-a-dice.

If you are referring to Par-a-dice buying ads and sponsoring things, then I guess I can at least see what you mean...
but BU basketball will, and does sell advertising, and I am not sure how or where they'd draw the line if they decided to exclude certain restaurants and hotels just because of their links to a fully legal activity.

I watch on the computer and have seen the advertisement on the scoreboard and have watched them rolling a pair of dice along the floor at halftime to advertise it. Someboby gets money for advertising/promoting the par-a-dice. Maybe Bradley has no control over what's on the scoreboard or what's done during halftime. Maybe it's the CC getting the money for the promotion.

 

[tornado]

if I give my money to the Girl Scouts for them to use as they see fit, then I am supporting the Girl Scouts
(as the govt supports the state schools)

if I hire a Girl Scout to mow my lawn and pay her what I'd have paid anyone else for the same job, then it is totally different, and I am not supporting the Girl Scouts, I am only getting my money's worth for what I paid for.

Even if some federal $ ends up coming to BU it is for a designated purpose, but NOT to generally support the school and cover costs and tuition (this is what's called direct government funding/support)

 

[QPS]

can you cite the link???

Here is the state capital budget. Look at page 44 / 96. $100 million for private universities: http://www.state.il.us/budget/FY2010/FY2010_Capital_Budget.pdf

You can look up any not-for-profit's tax return here to see what the government money was: http://foundationcenter.org/

I do not have a link for the GCC funding. That comes from memory.

ISU says less than 25% of its revenues comes from state funds - http://www.mediarelations.ilstu.edu/news_releases/0809/oct/botinternalbudg.asp

State schools are getting less and less government funding.

 

[tornado]

State schools are getting less and less government funding.

because the massive, bankrupt car manufacturers are getting it all and wasting it away

 

[SFP]

because the massive, bankrupt car manufacturers are getting it all and wasting it away

Now that is another topic of conversation all together. Who says the lobbyist are not running DC?

I'm not even getting into what is a public education and how it is subsidized compared to a private one. Again the mathematics is quite simple! A public school receives the majority of its revenue through public means and private through private hands. Both are necessary for society in the long run but to say that coaches salary are not somehow connected to taxpayers money is ridiculous. I can say that our coaches salary are in no way connected to taxpayers money. Any grant we receive is for a specific project or student which is used for the general fund. BU's sports program is self sufficient through the basketball program's revenue and from private donations. The same cannot be said for most public institutions.

 

[QPS]

Again the mathematics is quite simple! A public school receives the majority of its revenue through public means and private through private hands.

Not exactly correct. Public universities do not get most of their revenues from the goverment.

Here is a summary of U of I's revenue. The biggest school in the state and as the flagship university certainly the school most likely to be on the receiving end of any givernment $$. Less than half of their budget is covered by the government.

http://www.uillinois.edu/our/publications/pdfs/PocketFacts09.pdf#page=14

Public universities will get more than private universities from the government but the publics no longer receive the majority of their funding from the state.

 

[SFP]

Not exactly correct. Public universities do not get most of their revenues from the goverment.

Here is a summary of U of I's revenue. The biggest school in the state and as the flagship university certainly the school most likely to be on the receiving end of any givernment $$. Less than half of their budget is covered by the government.

http://www.uillinois.edu/our/publications/pdfs/PocketFacts09.pdf#page=14

Public universities will get more than private universities from the government but the publics no longer receive the majority of their funding from the state.

Their whole infrastructure is owned by the state which as an investment from the state is not accounted for! There are a few public schools that probably fall within this category of receiving large revenue pool through an endowment but the vast majority of public institutions could not operate without state funding and the vast majority of their funds come from state funding. The public schools that tend to be closer to self sufficiency are the U of Mich and UVa types which have created networks outside of the public community to foster additional revenue. In other words they are creating revenue through private investment to generate revenue.

I had a talk with the CIO of the University of California at Berkeley regarding funding for the different colleges within his University and you would be surprised how some of that revenue is distributed. Let's just say the college of liberal arts depends on a large amount of their operating budget from the state while the law school and business school have a large endowment in which to operate thier respective college. So I bet if you look into U of Il you would see some of the same distribution pattern. The haves and have nots!

 

[tornado]

I found this news article intruiguing....
http://gazetteonline.com/sports/iow.../08/04/iowa-uni-athletics-budgets-to-decrease

"Northern Iowa??™s athletics budget will decrease by 2.4 percent to $11.55 million,
down from $11.83 million. The athletics department will receive nearly $4.63
million in university general support, down 14.6 percent."

tough that UNI is getting their athletic dept. budget cut...
but also a clear admission that they get a HUGE hunk of their money direct from the taxpayers of the state and it's called "university general support".

Now, one more time...can one of those who claim the athletic depts. are self sufficient, please explain this one to me?