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Does this seem fair?

chitownBUB said:
Another one for the "does this seem fair" file.

University of Kentucky guard Rajon Rondo
is seen tooling around campus driving a 2006 Yukon Denail, a car
worth $60,000!
But there's no need to worry that maybe anything suspicious is going on, because the univeristy has assured us the car
actually belongs to Rondo's good friend, NBA player and UK alum Derek Anderson,
who bought the car and let's Rajon use it all he wants!!

Gee-- I am sure glad it wasn't a few extra bucks from a summer employer, so it's nice to know it's just the free
use of a luxury car owned by an alumnus of UK.
http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/sports/basketball/13723546.htm

How on Earth is that legal by NCAA standards? Oh wait, it's Kentucky. My bad.

Wait, didn't Kentucky almost get the basketball death penalty a while back? You'd think they'd be against stuff like this. Oh well, whatever it takes to win, right?
 
Ah--one of my favorite topics, as I lived in Louisville back then and we never cared much for UK,
but the lip service was indeed given to UK getting the "death penalty" but only after over $1K fell out of a package headed to a recruit and was reported by the post office.
I think Kentucky would have literally gotten off scott free save for the overwhelming condemning evidence and the cries of "foul" from Denny Crum.

BUT--as you recall, all the important players in the scenario actually did get off pretty easy.

UK-got a couple years of limits and penalties, but were soon back in the final four with new coach Rick Pitino.

Eddie Sutton moved on and gets to coach another national power Oklahoma State.

Chris Mills, the recruit who was being sent the cash bribe, ended up going to Arizona (transferring after 1st yr at UK) and landed in the NBA, so he got his millions anyway.

And even some of the bit players who were caught in the scandal because their tests scores were so obviously phoney or the result of cheating (Eric Manuel and Sean Sutton the coach's son who was suspected of giving correct test answers to Manuel) still all moved on essentially unscathed and finished their careers elsewhere.

So in the end what was talked about as a tough penalty didn't amount to much more than a murderer losing his drivers license for 6 months. Now, if it had happened at Bradley, and one of the kids was employed by Star Transport...... :roll:
 
Hey- I'm going to hop onto this "does this seem fair" thread.

Has anyone seen the last couple Duke games on TV?
Of course all of Duke's games are on TV so it's hard to miss them.

You probably saw the game where Duke just barely beat Boston College, aided by a "no-call" right at the end of the game when a BC shooter was clobbered but the refs called nothing, allowing Duke to win.
Then against Florida State, a team Duke should have blown out, it took a totally groundless technical call on one of the FSU players for Duke to pull the game out.
The call was so bad, that the ACC suspended the entire crew, an almost unprecedented move.

http://www.oxfordpress.com/sports/content/shared/sports/stories/FBC_DUKE_0210_COX.html

"Duke's disparity in free-throw attempts, 80-23 in two triumphs by a combined three points, sent the fire even higher"

But in the end, it all seems to boil down to how often Duke gets every close call, and every break in the book.
It's almost as if the NCAA and all the powers involved have some reason to keep helping Duke win.
I for one would like to see Duke get an unbiased officiating crew in the NCAA tourney and get hammered by a 16-seed!
 
user1 said:
Hey- I'm going to hop onto this "does this seem fair" thread.

Has anyone seen the last couple Duke games on TV?
Of course all of Duke's games are on TV so it's hard to miss them.

You probably saw the game where Duke just barely beat Boston College, aided by a "no-call" right at the end of the game when a BC shooter was clobbered but the refs called nothing, allowing Duke to win.
Then against Florida State, a team Duke should have blown out, it took a totally groundless technical call on one of the FSU players for Duke to pull the game out.
The call was so bad, that the ACC suspended the entire crew, an almost unprecedented move.

http://www.oxfordpress.com/sports/content/shared/sports/stories/FBC_DUKE_0210_COX.html

"Duke's disparity in free-throw attempts, 80-23 in two triumphs by a combined three points, sent the fire even higher"

But in the end, it all seems to boil down to how often Duke gets every close call, and every break in the book.
It's almost as if the NCAA and all the powers involved have some reason to keep helping Duke win.
I for one would like to see Duke get an unbiased officiating crew in the NCAA tourney and get hammered by a 16-seed!
Sorry user1 Duke will not get hammered by a 16 seed. That's just crazy.
 
Yet another example for the "Does this seem fair" file.

St. John's gets caught and "convicted" by the NCAA of actually paying one of their players. I'm not talking about a little extra cash from a summer job, this is actual handouts of substantial dollar amounts from one of the coaches right to one of the players.

The player, Abe Keita, received (at least) $300 per month, which if it was carried out for a full four years at the school, would have been well over $12,000, but the actual total amount wasn't revealed.
The kid also got $2400 to help with tuition when he was not eligible for his scholarship funds, and he also got the rental of an apartment at a reduced rate.

Remember, all of this also comes right on the tail end of numerous serious violations that were already uncovered during the Mike Jarvis era at St. Johns, which included sexual assault charges against the coach, rape charges against numerous players, and lots of academic fraud, and drug use.

This situation seriously deserved consideration of the death penalty or a very, very severe penalty,
but then St. Johns is in the Big East!!

Guess what was St. Johns' penalty.

--2 years of probation
--loss of one scholarship
--little slap on the wrist...
:roll:
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baske...,0,3940378.story?coll=ny-basketball-headlines


Actually, I also ran across this followup to the Ricky Clemons cheating scandal...
http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_3813488
 
And yet even another kid who came from a questionable "prep school" that was being investigated by the NCAA has been cleared and is now eligible.

The two big differences between this kid and Xavier Crawford??

First, BTMA was not really even being looked at in the same way as "Genesis One" prep school, which was actually on NCAA's bad-list.

Second, the kid went to a BCS school, and is now granted eligibilty just in time for the season to begin.
Arkansas opens tonight against NAIA Xavier of New Orleans (who didn't even play at all last season because their campus was destroyed by Hurricane Katrina.)

The kid scored 32ppg, 15rpg, 9 BLOCKS per game last year in prep school!
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2644643
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...iew/2006/10/31/bc.bkc.arkansas.washington.ap/
 
And just in case you needed more proof...

That no matter how minor, and no matter how long ago violations were,
if it is a mid-major, then the NCAA hands down big penalties!
(loss of scholarships and probation through 2009)
http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=6060531&nav=0nqx
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/college_basketball/20070208-1509-mcneesestsanctions.html

Anyone wanna predict when the NCAA will ever get involved in checking out all those
extra benefits that Reggie Bush got while playing at USC?

A) in 2009
B) in 2015
C) gimme a break..it ain't gonna happen
 
OK...does this surprise anyone-- here's even more evidence the mid-majors, especially if they have
marginally successful seasons, get hammered hard even for minor, unintentional violations.

A lower-mid-major (University of Louisiana-Lafayette) is found guilty by the NCAA of 3 violations, but it was made clear that the violations were
NOT INTENTIONAL.

--one is that a basketball player played a few games in 2003-2004 and 2004-2005 after transferring from University of Florida.
He had a total of NINE hours of credits that were from corrspondence courses, and there was no argument that he actually took and completed these courses.
However, the NCAA deemed the courses were not allowable, therefore the player was ineligible. The school had deemed the courses as allowable.

--the 2nd violation was that some football recruits attended "impermissable summer workouts".

--the third violation was just the failure of the program to identify the first two...so in effect it wasn't really a new violation at all.
http://www.thenewsstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070420/UPDATES02/70420007/1006/SPORTS


So here are the penalties:
--Forfeit all men's basketball games in 2003-2004 AND 2004-2005.
--Forfeiture of Sun Belt Conference Western Division title in 2004 and back-to-back Sun Belt Tournament titles in 2004 and 2005. ULL's participation in the NCAA Tournament - two first-round losses - will also be expunged from the record books and public displays of performance in either tournament such as banners hanging in the Cajundome must be removed.
--men's basketball loses one scholarship for two years.
--Revenues totaling $19,551.47 from participation in the 2004 NCAA Tournament will also be forfeited.
--In football, ULL must reduce its spring workout hours from 20 to 15 for one week in either 2007 or 2008 spring drills.
--the ULL Athletic Department received public reprimand and censure, two years of probation effective Thursday and running through April 18, 2009, and individuals involved with athletics in the admission, financial aid, compliance and registrar's offices and the faculty athletic representative must attend an NCAA compliance seminar prior to the end of the probation.


WOW--
If there's anyone left who doesn't feels the small and mid-major schools get hammered harder, just let me know.
Here were some unintentional and inadvertent violations, and they weren't that serious, but the program gets hit harder than most I have seen with huge major violations!
 
I just can't leave the "Does this seem fair?"
thread without one more comment about Indiana coach Kelvin Sampson.

Even though the NCAA is now going to crack down on text messaging, look for
May 24, 2007 to be the day that most of the cel-phone systems shut down in America due to overly heavy traffic.

That is the day that officially Kelvin Sampson is allowed to start calling recruits again,
although does anyone actually doubt that he's likely been doing it all along or has had one of his staff dial the # for him?

The nationwide communications grids with be overloaded on that day and it'll propbably be like Y2K was feared to be!
 
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