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Daniel West not eligible at BU
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tornado
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Can someone please give me a link to just one mention of Daniel West playing AAU ball this past summer, or a mention of how he did.
In case you do try, and find that there are none, then maybe try to find some source that confirms West is the #1 PG in Michigan, as the Saginaw coach claims.....it just is not true.
Most people think this kid who is going to Ohio State is a little better
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=2539256
http://michiganpreps.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?
fid=2410&mid=95749187&sid=1015&tid=95749187&style=2&Override=1
and this kid too
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=1930555
West may be among the Top 5 PG's in Michigan, but if someone can confirm any source saying he's #1, I'd love to see it. Either way, I kinda trust our staff on this one.
http://michiganpreps.rivals.com/sho...9187&sid=1015&tid=95749187&style=2&Override=1
In case you do try, and find that there are none, then maybe try to find some source that confirms West is the #1 PG in Michigan, as the Saginaw coach claims.....it just is not true.
Most people think this kid who is going to Ohio State is a little better
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=2539256
http://michiganpreps.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?
fid=2410&mid=95749187&sid=1015&tid=95749187&style=2&Override=1
and this kid too
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=1930555
West may be among the Top 5 PG's in Michigan, but if someone can confirm any source saying he's #1, I'd love to see it. Either way, I kinda trust our staff on this one.
http://michiganpreps.rivals.com/sho...9187&sid=1015&tid=95749187&style=2&Override=1
basketball nut
Active member
I have wondered for along time how good is West. The reasobn for this is his teammate is listed as the #1 player in MI and barely makes it into the top 100 players nationally. having grown up 20 miles from Bay City I check out a lot of the papers up that way as well as the Detroit FP. The Free Press has had West only in the top twenty in the state and has put other poiint guards ahead of West which then makes one wonder is he as good as they say. I am not saying he isn't good but w/ the grade situation and a chance to get a true combo guard that sounds like he may be better then West you have to do it. Only time will tell if this is a bad, good, or great move.
BradleyBrave
New member
How come our mods are contributing so much to ISU news, i.e. Sampay, and not about our OWN players (or former players), i.e. Daniel West? I want to know the skinny on Daniel West. If Sampay is in trouble, great. Bad news for ISU. I think losing West is bad. I want to know more about THAT. And I don't want it sugarcoated either. We have been very high on this kid for a long time. He didn't suddenly get worse from yesterday to today. Losing him isn't a good thing, and it will depend on what he turns out to be and what we do with the scholarship to determine the long-term effects of pulling his scholarship. Do I trust the staff? Yes. I would just like to know more, and usually this is the place where I come to get BU news.
tornado
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BB the news is quite clear....BradleyFans is committed to bringing you the news you just can't find anywhere else!
West played virtually no ball all summer, spent the entire time trying to take courses and improve his standing, and yet did poorly enough to cause our coaching staff to back off.
Do you want another DeAaron Williams scenario?
The kid's coach did not refute the facts, that he is not going to qualify,
Above, I challenged you to find some word on West from over the summer. There is NONE.
Find someone who ranks the kid in even the top 20 or 25 in the state....there are none.
I think Daniel West would have been a fine recruit, except I am bothered by his absence from the AAU scene this summer, and the word that he is having very serious academic problems. Are you suggesting we should not trust our coaching staff on this decision?
Note the wording of the news release:
"West’s junior year in the classroom placed him in a tenuous position as far as achieving his NCAA eligibility.
So his agreement to Bradley was voided"
So the kid violated/broke the agreement he clearly must have made in order to receive the scholarship.
If the kid doesn't do his part, then what's a coach to do?
West played virtually no ball all summer, spent the entire time trying to take courses and improve his standing, and yet did poorly enough to cause our coaching staff to back off.
Do you want another DeAaron Williams scenario?
The kid's coach did not refute the facts, that he is not going to qualify,
Above, I challenged you to find some word on West from over the summer. There is NONE.
Find someone who ranks the kid in even the top 20 or 25 in the state....there are none.
I think Daniel West would have been a fine recruit, except I am bothered by his absence from the AAU scene this summer, and the word that he is having very serious academic problems. Are you suggesting we should not trust our coaching staff on this decision?
Note the wording of the news release:
"West’s junior year in the classroom placed him in a tenuous position as far as achieving his NCAA eligibility.
So his agreement to Bradley was voided"
So the kid violated/broke the agreement he clearly must have made in order to receive the scholarship.
If the kid doesn't do his part, then what's a coach to do?
We report what we know. I've said before, and I'll clarify for new viewers, none of us "moderators" have any connection with Bradley or the Athletic Department, and we have no inside source of information to get news whenever we want it. So we'll have to take the staff at their word that the Daniel West case was simply academic failure, which Bradley has no control over. I suspect they knew this problem was brewing since last spring, though I can understand why that shouldn't be reported. Probably Bradley encouraged the summer work. I am happy to hear that the staff is so closely involved with the academics of each recruit. And the quotes from Daniel West's coach suggest that he and Daniel accept and were not surprised by Bradley's action. There would certainly be no reason for Lou Dawkins to "sugarcoat" the issue, and I don't think Bradley has, either.
I have heard that they feel the guy the just got (Eddren McCain) is an upgrade at PG over any other 2008 recruit we had or were after.
I have heard that they feel the guy the just got (Eddren McCain) is an upgrade at PG over any other 2008 recruit we had or were after.
Lakeview Brave
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Thanks for commenting guys! Im guessing that almost everyone on this board looks to you guys as the authority on most subjects. When you guys dont comment, speculation runs wild. BB just wants clarification as to what happend like we all do.
I may be accused of trying to put lipstick on a pig, but here goes . . .
This doesn't bother me too much. First, on balance, JL has proven to be a recruiter whose decision making is practically beyond reproach.
Second, I see a bit of a pattern here. A few months ago we find out that Theron Wilson has signed his LOI and everyone wonders what that means about DW. Come to find out that Les has yanked BU's offer. I have a sneaking suspicion that Les looked at those two, Wilson and Williams, and thought I like Theron better anyway, DW still hasn't gotten his act together, I'm going with Theron. And from all I hear, Theron might actually wind up being better at BU that DW would have been.
Some on here immediately wondered about West when the McCain commit was announced. They were right: just like in the DW case, come to find out JL revoked the offer (which seems from his coach's comments like exactly what happened, not the other way around). I'm not the talent evaluator Les is, so I feel comfortable that he looked at the two, McCain and West, liked McCain better anyway, sees West hasn't gotten his act together, says I'm going with McCain.
So we trade the best pg in Michigan for what many claim to be the best pg in the South. McCain is a good student, so failing to qualify would at least not be attributable to bad effort in the classroom.
Fine by me.
This doesn't bother me too much. First, on balance, JL has proven to be a recruiter whose decision making is practically beyond reproach.
Second, I see a bit of a pattern here. A few months ago we find out that Theron Wilson has signed his LOI and everyone wonders what that means about DW. Come to find out that Les has yanked BU's offer. I have a sneaking suspicion that Les looked at those two, Wilson and Williams, and thought I like Theron better anyway, DW still hasn't gotten his act together, I'm going with Theron. And from all I hear, Theron might actually wind up being better at BU that DW would have been.
Some on here immediately wondered about West when the McCain commit was announced. They were right: just like in the DW case, come to find out JL revoked the offer (which seems from his coach's comments like exactly what happened, not the other way around). I'm not the talent evaluator Les is, so I feel comfortable that he looked at the two, McCain and West, liked McCain better anyway, sees West hasn't gotten his act together, says I'm going with McCain.
So we trade the best pg in Michigan for what many claim to be the best pg in the South. McCain is a good student, so failing to qualify would at least not be attributable to bad effort in the classroom.
Fine by me.
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numbr_9
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we all want the freshest "inside" information, but I think our mods do a great job of balancing scoops and tact. a premature story can cause damage to the team, which is something none of us want! (hehe, well maybe Dannycooksey wouldn't mind ... )
We can speculate as to what may have been the 'real' reason, although considering how up front the program has been with less then positive news in the past (i.e. Ray Brown, Fears, etc.) I dont know why they would just now start trying to spin stories. If a high-major swooped in and stole D West, why wouldn't they be up front about that?
I dont know ... I love having the inside scoop, but I never want it at the expense of my team. the Mods do a great job in my opinion and if they get some really juicy inside info that they can't share, i respect their need for discretion!
Kudos to BF.com mods; you guys are the best!
We can speculate as to what may have been the 'real' reason, although considering how up front the program has been with less then positive news in the past (i.e. Ray Brown, Fears, etc.) I dont know why they would just now start trying to spin stories. If a high-major swooped in and stole D West, why wouldn't they be up front about that?
I dont know ... I love having the inside scoop, but I never want it at the expense of my team. the Mods do a great job in my opinion and if they get some really juicy inside info that they can't share, i respect their need for discretion!
Kudos to BF.com mods; you guys are the best!
OrangeandBlack74
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I look towards T and DC as "sources" of information, not the authority on most subjects as you describe. I think they do a great job, and should be commended for their efforts, rather than being called out for not providing enough information.
I trust the staff to do what's best for BU!
Lakeview Brave
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Great post and I think and hope you are right. How many days till the season starts???
BradleyBrave
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First, I don't need to be 'challenged' on anything.
Second, what part of 'I trust the staff' in my other 2 posts in this thread did you not read.
Third, until I made this post, our 2 most knowledgeable BU posters had 7 posts on ISU's problems with the law, and 1 post on Daniel West. The only post on West was talking about how he wasn't that good anymore. Little AAU information on Eddren McCain is a GOOD thing since he's here, but it's a detriment to Daniel West because he's no longer here? Which one is it? Why are you going out of your way to belittle Daniel West? I have a feeling that if West was still in BU's plans, him being off the AAU circuit this year would be a viewed as a good thing that kept him 'under the radar'.
I think I have made it painfully clear over the years how much I love BU and this board in particular, and I think you both know how highly I regard this board and the job our fine moderators do. But I think this is another example of us throwing stones from a glass house. BU has had their own problems, and always will. Perhaps we deal with them better than some do, but come on. I know it's ISU, and it's fun to make fun of them. Personally, I think their performance on the court the past few seasons speaks for itself. But, if this is the way it's going to be, fine. I think maybe there should be a separate section for 'College Athletes and the law' or something, similar to the recruiting and general discussion sections on the board.
Agree totally...kudos to the BF mods for a great job.
tornado
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I disagree, if BU's entire starting five were due in court this month for various offenses and DUIs, I have no doubt there'd be numerous threads on all the MVC boards, and the PJ Star would be calling for accountability & heads to roll!
Bradley seems always to be held to a higher standard....and even the very posters who were covering up and minimizing all the DUI's and arrests at SIU were the very ones calling for major overhauls at BU because a couple kids benefitted from a payroll error and one got caught in a random urine test! Personally I fond quite a bit of hypocrisy in this area, but I feel I have been very consistent in saying this stuff should not be covered up (as it appears to be at ISU) and should be penalized harshly before it recurs over and over (too late for that now at UIUC and ISU). Bradley is the poster child of serious, hard line discipline in dismissing violators and yanking scholarships from kids who don't keep their end of the bargain.
I applaud the BU staff for finally showing a little BAL*S in this whole discipline area!!
I have been very consistent in my call for better discilpine in college basketball and better off-court behavior by players, but the Daniel West thing had no such connection, so I had little to comment on in that thread beyond what was said in the news release.
I didn't know so much was being read into my numerical post count.
MacabreMob
New member
The only defense I offer against the "casting stones from a glass house" is maybe the saying - "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." So maybe recently, Bradley has the hammer and ISU is the nail.
mike radigan
New member
Thanks...we will pass your comments on at the next Mod-Board meeting
and at the yearly convention in Hawaii!.....
T, sign me up as a mod ASAP, at a bare minimum before the convention.
ok..more lipstick on a pig... Brocks is correct. We are seeing a pattern here. But perhaps I have a slightly different take. No doubt, JL and staff are great evaluators of talent. But sometimes the talented players who would otherwise be sought after by major schools come with a risk. (academics etc) JL and staff approach these players and tell them that you have a full ride to a program on the rise in a highly rated conference which has already been to one Sweet 16 recently IF they get their act together. JL and staff in turn monitor the kid's progress and if there is an indication that the kid isnt meeting his end of the bargain, then they are up front with the kid and tell him that the scholaship offer is off the table. All the while, the staff goes out to recruit talent to cover the risk on the player they took a chance on. I have no problem with this as long as the staff does this with one of the available scholarships while using the remaining offers to go after more reliable players. One day the risk will be rewarded and we will end up with a stud recruit!
--again just my perception of what may be going on here---
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First, the post I made about Daniel West simply says--
"I have heard that they feel the guy the just got (Eddren McCain) is an upgrade at PG over any other 2008 recruit we had or were after."
I don't think there is anything negative there about Daniel West, but if you took it that way, I am sorry. But I am just reporting what I have heard.
And the reason I haven't commented about West more than that post is because The Bradley staff came out publically and discussed the situation. Nobody demanded they give reasons for their actions, but they did so forthrightly and I believe honestly. And I felt their detailed explanation was adequate. So what more could I add?
I have only commented 1 time (and very briefly without much of an opinion) on the ISU thread. That means I have posted exactly 1 time regarding both matters. That doesn't sound like I should be criticized for responding more to the ISU topic than the Bradley one, does it?
But the situations are so totally different that I can't believe anyone would see a similarity.
Bradley has already commented, without being asked to do so, and explained the Daniel West situation fully and to my satisfaction.
ISU waited many months after the Levi Dyer DUI and then came out with the news only when it was already being talked about publically on message boards. Not very forthright, do you agree? Now we find that Sampay had a DUI while being underaged, and was arrested July 30. That's before the Dyer thing was even addressed by Jankovich. And now, many weeks later, that it is posted on a public website (the county clerks site) and being discussed on message boards, where is Jankovich? Why no acknowledgement of this? I would have thought that after the response to the Dyer DUI, maybe they would react a little differently again, but they certainly seem satisfied to hide this stuff until they absolutely have to talk about it. Then they come out with the usual "we'll be handling this internally in a private way" type of response.
And I will say again-- the moderators are not affiliated with Bradley in any official way. So please don't expect or demand that they post responses to any particular topic. Everyone is entitled to their thoughts and opinions, but we are not here to clarify or interpret the news coming out of Bradley.