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Butler at Ohio State

I think the All American act is an understatement LOL. Butler would be getting blown out by 30 points by now if it wasn't for Hayward's 17 points. The rest of the team is just 4 for 17 shooting at the early 2nd half mark. OSU currently up by 11. Why couldn't they shoot like that here in Peoria.

Jason
 
jasonpeoria911 said:
I think the All American act is an understatement LOL. Butler would be getting blown out by 30 points by now if it wasn't for Hayward's 17 points. The rest of the team is just 4 for 17 shooting at the early 2nd half mark. OSU currently up by 11. Why couldn't they shoot like that here in Peoria.

Jason
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Probably becuase we didn't play defense like OSU is.....
 
Hayward is gonna be a big-time stud before he's done at Butler. He almost reminds me of a cross between Reggie Miller and Scottie Pippen.
 
I know OSU isn't a power house this year but they are still good. Does this put our loss in perspective a bit more? Not saying we roll over as fans an accept it (the L) but Butler appears to be a good team.
 
Butler loses 54-51, but their last 4 possessions consisted of a missed three with no offensive rebounds, including one at the buzzer.
 
And Butler loses 54-51. Hayward lays down 25 points while the rest of his teammates went on to shoot 7 for 32. A whopping 21% FG shooting. YIKES. They did manage to make 13 out of 15 FT's which kept them in the game until the end. Now if only BU can make some FT's to keep them in it until the end.

Jason
 
dogsrus said:
I know OSU isn't a power house this year but they are still good. Does this put our loss in perspective a bit more? Not saying we roll over as fans an accept it (the L) but Butler appears to be a good team.
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I suppose that depends on your definition, because, to date, they've been the best team in the Big Ten. That said, Butler needs to win this game, just too many unforced errors.
 
Butler is a good team but we are suppose to be a good team also and had we played up to our capabilities we should have won that game at home, because of all the new players on the team we have not been consistent which has led to 2 losses to teams that we should have beaten , I know that we will be better team come tourn. time but we need to finish in the top 4 of the conference in order to give ourselves a chance at winning the tour.
 
dogs,

Do you feel better about the Braves performance against Butler because they played the Buckeyes close? For me it is not the winning or losing at this point in time, but the lack of fundamentals and intensity. Play hard, do the fundamentals and you get beat by a better team, OK.
 
braves12 said:
dogs,

Do you feel better about the Braves performance against Butler because they played the Buckeyes close? For me it is not the winning or losing at this point in time, but the lack of fundamentals and intensity. Play hard, do the fundamentals and you get beat by a better team, OK.
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I NEVER feel good about a loss. I'm just saying, as a realist, sometimes you tip your hat to the better team. I'm not a good enough talent evaluator or assistant coach to know if BU played real bad or if Butler is just simply better then us.

Also not making excuses for these guys. They need to play alot better. The lack of fundamentals is VERY discouraging.
 
braves12 said:
dogs,

Do you feel better about the Braves performance against Butler because they played the Buckeyes close? For me it is not the winning or losing at this point in time, but the lack of fundamentals and intensity. Play hard, do the fundamentals and you get beat by a better team, OK.
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Good post
 
braves12 said:
dogs,

Do you feel better about the Braves performance against Butler because they played the Buckeyes close? For me it is not the winning or losing at this point in time, but the lack of fundamentals and intensity. Play hard, do the fundamentals and you get beat by a better team, OK.
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What if BU played bad and won.....I understand your point and won't argue about the basic premise of good fundamentals and intensity. I'm just saying from MY limited understanding of the game maybe its less about us playing horrible and more about the "better" team making us look bad.

Sometimes if it looks, walks and quacks like a duck its a duck and there is no doubt BU played some bad ball but this loss bothers me a tad less knowing this Butler team is very good. Does it make me feel better..not really just trying to be a realist and put things into a bit better perspective.

With that said I'm looking for a better effort Sunday. Will a win mean we hustled and had better fundamentals OR that we looked better becuase we aere better then SEMO?
 
dogsrus said:
What if BU played bad and won.....I understand your point and won't argue about the basic premise of good fundamentals and intensity. I'm just saying from MY limited understanding of the game maybe its less about us playing horrible and more about the "better" team making us look bad.

Sometimes if it looks, walks and quacks like a duck its a duck and there is no doubt BU played some bad ball but this loss bothers me a tad less knowing this Butler team is very good. Does it make me feel better..not really just trying to be a realist and put things into a bit better perspective.

With that said I'm looking for a better effort Sunday. Will a win mean we hustled and had better fundamentals OR that we looked better becuase we aere better then SEMO?
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Butler is a good team but the are not so much better that BU couldn't execute.
How they play offense doesn't have anything to do with us not rotating or leaving guys open.
If Butler was physically more imposing(like North Carolina) then it would it wouldn't make any difference how we play.
Butler was well coached and did many of the little things right....which comes from being disciplined not athletic
 
We have heard the term 'The Gonzaga of the Midwest' thrown around for what BU aspires to be. I'd say we should probably shoot for SIU, CU, Butler, and Xavier first.
 
dogs,

I want wins as much as the next fan, but I think wins come after:

1. Hustle, intensity, desire etc.

2. Fundamentals like blocking out for rebounds, following your shots, crashing the boards, intensity on defense (zone or man, I don't care), setting screens, setting your man up properly to rub off the screen, ball fakes, head fakes, pump fakes and drives, hesitation dribbles, drawing fouls, making free throws, passing, spacing etc. etc.

3. Coaching schemes and adjustments to take advantage of the other teams weaknesses and slow down thier strengths (I think Ohio St. went to a box and 1 in the 2nd half for a while today).

4. Recruiting better players.......basketball players.

BU is not going to get many 4 and 5 star players. The players they get need to do 1 and 2 to be successful. Doing a better job of 1 and 2 can win the Valley or at least compete for it.

I do not want a coaching change. I just want the staff to get the team better at 1 and 2.

A 20 point win on sunday will mean nothing to me if I don't think BU is better at 1 and 2. Just my opinion of what I see from the upper bowl. ;)

If you can see through the bottom of the plastic cup on sunday ;) watch away from the ball and see if you see good fundamentals and all out hustle.

Lastly, no pity for O&B74 on the golf course after the operation....he can still out putt both of us!!!!!!!!!!
 
braves12 said:
dogs,

I want wins as much as the next fan, but I think wins come after:

1. Hustle, intensity, desire etc.

2. Fundamentals like blocking out for rebounds, following your shots, crashing the boards, intensity on defense (zone or man, I don't care), setting screens, setting your man up properly to rub off the screen, ball fakes, head fakes, pump fakes and drives, hesitation dribbles, drawing fouls, making free throws, passing, spacing etc. etc.

3. Coaching schemes and adjustments to take advantage of the other teams weaknesses and slow down thier strengths (I think Ohio St. went to a box and 1 in the 2nd half for a while today).

4. Recruiting better players.......basketball players.

BU is not going to get many 4 and 5 star players. The players they get need to do 1 and 2 to be successful. Doing a better job of 1 and 2 can win the Valley or at least compete for it.

I do not want a coaching change. I just want the staff to get the team better at 1 and 2.

A 20 point win on sunday will mean nothing to me if I don't think BU is better at 1 and 2. Just my opinion of what I see from the upper bowl. ;)

If you can see through the bottom of the plastic cup on sunday ;) watch away from the ball and see if you see good fundamentals and all out hustle.

Lastly, no pity for O&B74 on the golf course after the operation....he can still out putt both of us!!!!!!!!!!
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I like this post a lot. I think it makes a lot of good points (of which I highlighted). I think we need to be a bit patient with our freshmen, as they are going to have their ups and downs. However, the mistakes we're making are so fundamentally poor, they're unacceptable regardless of age. The dreadful shooting doesn't help either.
 
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