The biggest difference for a market of this size and team of Bradley's standing is that people consume media far differently than they did 3, 7, 15, and 20 years ago. Traditional TV and radio audiences for live game broadcasts just aren't there like they were in the 1980s.
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The biggest difference for a market of this size and team of Bradley's standing is that people consume media far differently than they did 3, 7, 15, and 20 years ago. Traditional TV and radio audiences for live game broadcasts just aren't there like they were in the 1980s.
I see. It's 100% due to things completely out of Bradley's control?
Does that apply to the thousands fewer season ticket sales and large attendance declines?
For the record, this does not mesh with what many fans have told me. There are other significant factors responsible for the decline in interest, attendance, and donations. But let's keep ignoring all those and blame it on the changing times. :roll:
Even the people there know that is not true, or they wouldn't have hired Nelligan to try to bail them out of the mess they are now in.
Again, this is my view from Section 14 at the last game. Entire rows of empty seats where season ticket holders always filled the stands before, and where people used to wait years to get a chance to move down to and others handed their tickets down to new generations. It is appalling how far things have fallen, and yet the PJ Star writer, just 6 months ago, said, "My prediction? The good times will soon be rolling again on the Hilltop."
http://blogs.pjstar.com/pressrow/20...peat-itself-with-stellar-bu-recruiting-class/
Does that apply to the thousands fewer season ticket sales and large attendance declines?
For the record, this does not mesh with what many fans have told me. There are other significant factors responsible for the decline in interest, attendance, and donations. But let's keep ignoring all those and blame it on the changing times. :roll:
Even the people there know that is not true, or they wouldn't have hired Nelligan to try to bail them out of the mess they are now in.
Again, this is my view from Section 14 at the last game. Entire rows of empty seats where season ticket holders always filled the stands before, and where people used to wait years to get a chance to move down to and others handed their tickets down to new generations. It is appalling how far things have fallen, and yet the PJ Star writer, just 6 months ago, said, "My prediction? The good times will soon be rolling again on the Hilltop."
http://blogs.pjstar.com/pressrow/20...peat-itself-with-stellar-bu-recruiting-class/
What kind of mess do you think Alabama and Notre Dame felt they were in when they hired Learfield and IMG? It isn't about being in a mess, it's about maximizing sponsorship revenue opportunities and marketing dollars.
As far as ticket sales go, I would say the viable TV audience was gone long before the significant decline in attendance. I've been out of the TV business for 6 years, and it was longer ago than that Bradley telecasts weren't making stations money. 1 ratings during prime time don't generate TV revenues that run in the black.
I see. It's 100% due to things completely out of Bradley's control?
Does that apply to the thousands fewer season ticket sales and large attendance declines?
For the record, this does not mesh with what many fans have told me. There are other significant factors responsible for the decline in interest, attendance, and donations. But let's keep ignoring all those and blame it on the changing times. :roll:
Even the people there know that is not true, or they wouldn't have hired Nelligan to try to bail them out of the mess they are now in.
Again, this is my view from Section 14 at the last game. Entire rows of empty seats where season ticket holders always filled the stands before, and where people used to wait years to get a chance to move down to and others handed their tickets down to new generations. It is appalling how far things have fallen, and yet the PJ Star writer, just 6 months ago, said, "My prediction? The good times will soon be rolling again on the Hilltop."
http://blogs.pjstar.com/pressrow/20...peat-itself-with-stellar-bu-recruiting-class/
I don't think anyone hasn't said there aren't issues....but there are also other elements involved too.....I really doubt we had to dig up a 7 year old thread to discuss them all again;-)
tornado
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7 years is when that thread was - but as recent as 2010 & 2011 we had big crowds in St. Louis, 10,000K crowds at BU and averaged well over 9,000
..but in his column about BU's declining attendance our local writer claimed the attendance problems dated to 2007 - I disagree, but he chose that point.
I agree, but that report was 2007 and it suggested that the market was strong for broadcasting BU basketball - I don't have the Arbitron numbers for TV (if they exist) but remember - up 'til 2010 we still had 18-20 games a year on local TV.
Week gave up BU basketball because it would have replaced their otherwise extremely popular evening shows...
But like they do in other markets - just deal with stations that would not loose large numbers of regular viewers - such as WTVP & cable.
Surely Bradley MEN'S basketball is at least as marketable as ISU's WOMEN'S basketball
Arbitron ratings are for radio. Nielsen ratings are used for television, and I can assure that Bradley's TV numbers were regularly a 1 rating. To make money on Bradley games in the mid 2000s an average spot rate in the mid $200 range was necessary. At a 1 rating that made the Cost Per Point for a spot in a Bradley game $250, where as a customary CPP for prime programming would be in the $75 range. Imagine trying to convince people that they should pay $250 for something that was only worth $75.
I beg to differ. I don't know where your info comes from, maybe you're referring to the much older WEEK broadcasts, but as I have said, I know people involved with those broadcasts on Comcast and WTVP, and who sold advertising, and they have told me they made money on the broadcasts, or they would not have done so many of them. BradleyFans.com was one of the advertisers and sponsors.
In 2010, Bradley had 20 games televised, and 11 of them were locally originated (Comcast, and WTVP), and they made money.
In 2011 we again had 20 games televised, and 10 of those were on WTVP.
In 2012 we again had 20 televised games, and had 13 games on WTVP.
2013 Last season was the first year we had way fewer. For whatever reasons, we missed the deadlines that other stations needed to set, so apparently we decided to go with WAOE, and simply adopt the broadcast of other teams. Somehow those other MVC teams managed to get their games on TV. How do they possible manage and we can't?
This season- 0 local broadcasts so far.
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Just win Baby!! That will take care of everything. Today our society wants instant results whether it be online social media or BU basketball wins! BU basketball games were a social event down town at one time when they were winning. People liked to be seen at the games to show their support for a winner not associated with a subpar team. Sad to say but not everyone supports the team like us die hard fans.
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Just win Baby!! That will take care of everything. Today our society wants instant results whether it be online social media or BU basketball wins! BU basketball games were a social event down town at one time when they were winning. People liked to be seen at the games to show their support for a winner not associated with a subpar team. Sad to say but not everyone supports the team like us die hard fans.
I'm talking about 2005-2006 and Bradley basketball broadcasts were not making money on WEEK.
With regards to your assertion that Bradley basketball was making money for Comcast and WTVP, I wonder why they weren't clamoring for the rights to broadcast games in 2013 and 2014 if they were netting income from said broadcasts in previous seasons.
As for this season, I'd expect to see games once again on WAOE.
I have heard they were interested, but the lack of clamoring was not from their side.
Fair enough. I could see that as a possibility.
I think Nelligan's goal is probably to get the games on local network TV. If it's on Comcast, only about half of the people in the market would see it, and the last time WTVP aired games they were using their TVP World digital station that also had scarce penetration.
bradleyfan124
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And what a fine job Nelligan is doing
They have a TV deal in place (or being finalized) for the conference season. Unfortunately, they got a late start in getting their GM in place, so they haven't been able to accomplish everything that they wanted to do this year, but I think folks will notice a difference next year.
What kind of ratings numbers does WAOE pull?
They probably won't scratch. My guess is that the Nielsen ratings for a Bradley game on WAOE will show up as - or 1.
bradleyfan124
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Great! I will look forward to it