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BU 68--CU 81 final post game thread

Here are some number to digest ... What do you make of them?


Creighton Game: 2 Big vs. 4 Small +/- Breakdown
First Half
2 Big: 0, 3:14
4 Small: - 25, 14:16
Second Half
2 Big: +6, 11:02
4 Small: +6, 8:58
Game
2 Big: +6, 14:16
4 Small -19, 25:44
Game Lineup Sequence
3:14 2 Big 0 (JP/WE)
16:46 4 Small -25
6:15 2 Big +6 (JP/WE)
2:25 4 Small -4
5:47 2 Big 0 (WE/MK)
6:33 4 Small +10

By the numbers, Creighton slaughtered our 4 small lineup in the first half. BU had a +6 point differential against CU when BU went with a 2 Big lineup. Our 4 small lineup didn't contribute positively until the last 6:33 segment of the game. How in the world did the coaches go 4 Small for so much of the first half?
 
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Braves4Life said:
Jordan Prosser...... 9 minutes? WTF!
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ph said:
Instead of finding a way to punish other teams that mess with our game plan, We now reward other teams that push our post guys out of position by benching our bigs and playing even smaller as a team.
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Beninator said:
Just checked out the stats from last night's game. Outside of Egolf, anyone with size played a total of 22 minutes last night and that is throwing in Milos' 6 minutes. SMH
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<Sigh> This is the thing. 3s killed us last night, though it was a bit fluky with some non-starter who averages 2 ppg and makes 29% of threes going totally insane and making 45 ft end of shot clock 3s. The real story isn't 3 pt defense or even defense. It's our post play. Check out kenpom.com... Great stats from a team standpoint available there. If you look at our team we're just around average in most measures, which given our injury-related injury problems I could kind of handle... Some examples, we're ranked #130 in avoiding turnovers, and #189 in causing them... #106 in 3pt Pct, and #196 in preventing 3 pointers (not great or anything, but not a disaster). We're very good in FT% (#69) and strangely enough we're good at not getting blocked while shooting-- #58.

Thing is I think that not getting blocked thing is a symptom of our problem, which seems from the number to absolutely be the choosing to play 4 guards. We are atrocious in 2 pt FG% at #310 and very bad in defending 2 pt shots (#265). We're #295 in blocking shots as well. We're ranked #328 in getting offensive rebounds also. I think we're not getting blocked because our shots are jumpers. FREE PROSSER!

Another couple of interesting notes, we're again near the worst end of D-I (#313) in "Free Throw Defense." This has been true for several years, and I don't understand... but it shouldn't matter I figure this time as the % for #313 is the same for our #69 out to two decimal places. Also note Jake Eastman's "% of posessions used" stat compared to how much playing time he's getting.
 
JMM28 said:
+100000

JP should be playing 30+ minutes a game until his legs fall off, he fouls out, or whatever. Same with WL, DSE, and JE
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I could see playing more minutes, but I don't think benching AW and DD would do anything to keep people coming to the games. I can't even imagine a starting lineup of WL, DSE, JE, MK, and JP. Play all those guys 30+ minutes and we have 50 minutes between AW, DD, WE, and AT.
 
shaunguth said:
I could see playing more minutes, but I don't think benching AW and DD would do anything to keep people coming to the games. I can't even imagine a starting lineup of WL, DSE, JE, MK, and JP. Play all those guys 30+ minutes and we have 50 minutes between AW, DD, WE, and AT.
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I would try to play the following minutes:
AW 30
DD 30
DSE 25
WE 25
JP 30
WL 20
JE 15
AT 15
MK 10

Think that adds up to 200 but apologies if it doesn't
 
Braves4Life said:
Why does this continually happen DC? It happened last year and again this year. Why are these career games always coming at our expense?
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Maybe Merfield had something to do with the game plan against us. Didn't he coach the "Bigs" at Bradley. A little "get even"??
 
afan said:
Maybe Merfield had something to do with the game plan against us. Didn't he coach the "Bigs" at Bradley. A little "get even"??
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I'm sure Merf is very familiar with the actions that would cause JL to pull a decent big out of the game.
Look at that +- posted of how decent we were with 2 bigs...
 
thefish7 said:
I would try to play the following minutes:
AW 30
DD 30
DSE 25
WE 25
JP 30
WL 20
JE 15
AT 15
MK 10

Think that adds up to 200 but apologies if it doesn't
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This looks good fish7, but I'd have DD and WL split up 25 minutes. DD is not the future for BU. WL, DSE, JP will be big parts to our future teams for the next couple years at least. Though DSE has been getting 15 ppg in conference, he seems to be missing something this season compared to last. It looks like he is under a lot of pressure to score and run the point - not as much pressure as AW, but it is noticeable to me.
 
thefish7 said:
I would try to play the following minutes:
AW 30
DD 30
DSE 25
WE 25
JP 30
WL 20
JE 15
AT 15
MK 10

Think that adds up to 200 but apologies if it doesn't
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I'd like to see the following allocation consistently applied for about 3-4 straight games to guage the reuslts:
80 minutes per game - WE, AT, JP, and MK
120 minutes per game - the rest of the lineup
 
How are we this bad? It's easy to write it off with injuries to arguably our two top players and believe me, i'm one that sees no problem in using injuries as an "excuse". They happen and they affect your season, but how are we 0 and 8??? We still have DD and AW and some solid freshmen and sophomores contributing. We still have Egolf who one year we thought would be dominant in this conference until he hurt his knee....I just don't understand how we let Evansville....friggin' Evansville get better than us. I wanted to not post until we got a win...but that didn't work...it's been too long and I needed to vent. This is beyond ridiculous. Yes we've had two key injuries but we've had injuries before and still competed more than this...what is going on?!
 
Da Coach said:
Ever think it has more to do with the fact that Kelly and Latham maybe aren't their 2 best players? They have some other kids who have replaced them who are just as good, and are better shooters (Carter, Printy, Odum, McWhorter).
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DC, you are grasping at straws to make our mess look better. You might believe your spew but the biggest majority don't believe this for a minute. Kelly and Latham are players. The reason they win without them is ISU blue has surrounded those two with quality people who can play and we haven't.Period
 
Sorry, but I think its obvious. Kelly was not the best player on that team. And it's the Jim Les-bashers who are sounding desperate by trying to bring Indiana State's case into this argument, and somehow suggesting that the loss of Taylor Brown and Sam Maniscalco should not have made BU worse, because the Sycamores were able to overcome their injuries. Ludicrous.
 
I think it is safe to say that everyone is frustrated. can I ask how many games those two INSU guys were out, and who they beat during that time? Not making a point either way, just wondering.
 
Da Coach said:
Sorry, but I think its obvious. Kelly was not the best player on that team. And it's the Jim Les-bashers who are sounding desperate by trying to bring Indiana State's case into this argument, and somehow suggesting that the loss of Taylor Brown and Sam Maniscalco should not have made BU worse, because the Sycamores were able to overcome their injuries. Ludicrous.
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I'm not saying Kelly is there best player but he would be one of ours. I don't believe anyone has suggested we should not be worse losing our two best players. Anyone who knows anything about the game couldn't possibly think we would be better but on the other side of the coin it sure shows us how thin we our with our depth and reserves. I don't know how ISU got into this debate but I think we'd like to be heading in the direction they are. Can you dispute that?
 
I agree with you on the lack of depth. Kelly and Lathan a very good, but as we can see, were replaceable with other guys who appear to be just as good. Bradley has been unable to get the same production from the guys replacing TB and SM.
 
Da Coach said:
Sorry, but I think its obvious. Kelly was not the best player on that team. And it's the Jim Les-bashers who are sounding desperate by trying to bring Indiana State's case into this argument, and somehow suggesting that the loss of Taylor Brown and Sam Maniscalco should not have made BU worse, because the Sycamores were able to overcome their injuries. Ludicrous.
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Hey -- I'll tell you what Indiana State did when they DID LOSE their ONE best player....

2005-2006 David Moss was injured after their 8th game of the season...on Wed. December 28, 2005....
They went from being UNDEFEATED and the #1 RPI team in the nation, beating Butler and even Indiana (who were very good back then)
and then when David Moss was hurt, they dropped 11 in a row and finished the Valley season in DEAD last place.

Everyone in the world knew why they suddenly went from a good team to a bad team..it was because of injury but some of our fans are not likely to have been able to figure that out.
 
tornado said:
Everyone in the world knew why they suddenly went from a good team to a bad team..it was because of injury but some of our fans are not likely to have been able to figure that out.
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At least we went from mediocre to bad.
We'll see next season I guess when we get our 2 top players back and become a contender...suddenly.
Looking forward to next fall when, for the 3rd straight season, we can say with confidence, We DEFINITELY will be a Top 3 team in the Valley...Now if Milos, Woods, or Sticks doesn't get injured, that story might change.
 
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