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BU 68--CU 81 final post game thread

Bradley was tied for 3rd best 3-point defense in MVC games going into tonight's game. But that must be an accident, since we don't ever play any defense and haven't for 9 years.
 
Lets provide the complete picture shall we... Here are the up to date stats for this season. Thank God we are not the worst in giving up threes like we are in most other areas or we would be losing by 50. I think a close look at the last 9 years will show us in the bottom half of nearly all these areas.


SCORING DEFENSE G Pts Avg/G
1. Northern Iowa 19 1079 56.8
2. Missouri State 18 1096 60.9
3. Wichita State 18 1100 61.1
4. Indiana State 18 1115 61.9
5. Illinois State 19 1195 62.9
6. Creighton 19 1197 63.0
7. Southern Illinois 19 1224 64.4
8. Evansville 18 1195 66.4
9. Drake 19 1271 66.9
10. Bradley 18 1227 68.2


SCORING MARGIN G Offense Defense Margin
1. Wichita State 18 74.3 61.1 +13.2
2. Missouri State 18 71.4 60.9 +10.6
3. Northern Iowa 19 62.1 56.8 +5.3
4. Indiana State 18 66.2 61.9 +4.2
5. Creighton 19 66.3 63.0 +3.3
6. Evansville 18 66.2 66.4 -0.2
7. Southern Illinois 19 63.4 64.4 -1.0
8. Illinois State 19 61.5 62.9 -1.4
9. Drake 19 63.3 66.9 -3.6
10. Bradley 18 63.2 68.2 -5.0

FIELD GOAL PCT DEFENSE G FGM FGA Pct
1. Wichita State 18 388 966 .402
2. Indiana State 18 366 908 .403
3. Northern Iowa 19 380 911 .417
4. Creighton 19 457 1091 .419
5. Southern Illinois 19 410 960 .427
6. Illinois State 19 432 1002 .431
7. Missouri State 18 399 922 .433
8. Drake 19 445 1021 .436
9. Bradley 18 425 966 .440
10. Evansville 18 409 893 .458

3-POINT FG PCT DEFENSE G 3FGM 3FGA Pct
1. Drake 19 102 330 .309
2. Indiana State 18 90 285 .316
3. Missouri State 18 78 235 .332
4. Bradley 18 119 358 .332
5. Southern Illinois 19 93 270 .344
6. Northern Iowa 19 113 325 .348
7. Wichita State 18 102 293 .348
8. Illinois State 19 127 358 .355
9. Evansville 18 113 314 .360
10. Creighton 19 137 376 .364


REBOUNDING DEFENSE G Rebounds Avg/G
1. Wichita State 18 514 28.6
2. Southern Illinois 19 558 29.4
3. Missouri State 18 529 29.4
4. Northern Iowa 19 571 30.1
5. Evansville 18 575 31.9
6. Indiana State 18 577 32.1
7. Illinois State 19 613 32.3
8. Creighton 19 625 32.9
9. Bradley 18 635 35.3
10. Drake 19 714 37.6

BLOCKED SHOTS G No. Avg/G
1. Indiana State 18 87 4.8
2. Illinois State 19 71 3.7
3. Wichita State 18 67 3.7
4. Missouri State 18 59 3.3
5. Drake 19 58 3.1
6. Creighton 19 56 2.9
7. Southern Illinois 19 45 2.4
8. Bradley 18 35 1.9
Evansville 18 35 1.9
10. Northern Iowa 19 35 1.8
 
Lakeview Brave said:
Lets provide the complete picture shall we... Here are the up to date stats for this season. Thank God we are not the worst in giving up threes like we are in most other areas or we would be losing by 50. I think a close look at the last 9 years will show us in the bottom half of nearly all these areas.


SCORING DEFENSE G Pts Avg/G
1. Northern Iowa 19 1079 56.8
2. Missouri State 18 1096 60.9
3. Wichita State 18 1100 61.1
4. Indiana State 18 1115 61.9
5. Illinois State 19 1195 62.9
6. Creighton 19 1197 63.0
7. Southern Illinois 19 1224 64.4
8. Evansville 18 1195 66.4
9. Drake 19 1271 66.9
10. Bradley 18 1227 68.2


SCORING MARGIN G Offense Defense Margin
1. Wichita State 18 74.3 61.1 +13.2
2. Missouri State 18 71.4 60.9 +10.6
3. Northern Iowa 19 62.1 56.8 +5.3
4. Indiana State 18 66.2 61.9 +4.2
5. Creighton 19 66.3 63.0 +3.3
6. Evansville 18 66.2 66.4 -0.2
7. Southern Illinois 19 63.4 64.4 -1.0
8. Illinois State 19 61.5 62.9 -1.4
9. Drake 19 63.3 66.9 -3.6
10. Bradley 18 63.2 68.2 -5.0

FIELD GOAL PCT DEFENSE G FGM FGA Pct
1. Wichita State 18 388 966 .402
2. Indiana State 18 366 908 .403
3. Northern Iowa 19 380 911 .417
4. Creighton 19 457 1091 .419
5. Southern Illinois 19 410 960 .427
6. Illinois State 19 432 1002 .431
7. Missouri State 18 399 922 .433
8. Drake 19 445 1021 .436
9. Bradley 18 425 966 .440
10. Evansville 18 409 893 .458

3-POINT FG PCT DEFENSE G 3FGM 3FGA Pct
1. Drake 19 102 330 .309
2. Indiana State 18 90 285 .316
3. Missouri State 18 78 235 .332
4. Bradley 18 119 358 .332
5. Southern Illinois 19 93 270 .344
6. Northern Iowa 19 113 325 .348
7. Wichita State 18 102 293 .348
8. Illinois State 19 127 358 .355
9. Evansville 18 113 314 .360
10. Creighton 19 137 376 .364


REBOUNDING DEFENSE G Rebounds Avg/G
1. Wichita State 18 514 28.6
2. Southern Illinois 19 558 29.4
3. Missouri State 18 529 29.4
4. Northern Iowa 19 571 30.1
5. Evansville 18 575 31.9
6. Indiana State 18 577 32.1
7. Illinois State 19 613 32.3
8. Creighton 19 625 32.9
9. Bradley 18 635 35.3
10. Drake 19 714 37.6

BLOCKED SHOTS G No. Avg/G
1. Indiana State 18 87 4.8
2. Illinois State 19 71 3.7
3. Wichita State 18 67 3.7
4. Missouri State 18 59 3.3
5. Drake 19 58 3.1
6. Creighton 19 56 2.9
7. Southern Illinois 19 45 2.4
8. Bradley 18 35 1.9
Evansville 18 35 1.9
10. Northern Iowa 19 35 1.8
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I believe the true complete picture would be conference stats only. I'm not terribly surprised the numbers used here go hand in hand with comparing isu's schedule to that of every other team in the conference. I guess in some eyes around here.....that would tell the complete story......but not really.
 
ER3 said:
How can that be? I thought losing your two best players means that it is a certainty that you will lose every Valley game? How is it that Indy State is 7-1? Hmmmm....8)
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hmm..seems I saw Kelly & Lathan playing in each of their last several games, and...
both were in last night's box score as well......and according to the official league stats,
the two of them COMBINED have missed a grand total of EIGHT games, compared to Taylor Brown + Sammy missing a total of 32 games...

somehow I think someone is really stretching reality and the truth to say Indiana State has been playing without their two best players and trying to make a comparison to Bradley. :roll:
 
Braves4Life said:
Jordan Prosser...... 9 minutes? WTF!
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Instead of finding a way to punish other teams that mess with our game plan, We now reward other teams that push our post guys out of position by benching our bigs and playing even smaller as a team.
 
ER3 said:
Watch the games and look at all the wide-open threes we give up...it isn't hard for guys to have career games if they never have to hit a contested shot from the perimeter...
Chase the ball...overpursue...chase the ball...reversal...wide open 3 after wide open 3...it's been happening for years now...
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And before the other team reverses the ball, one of their players literally stands on the perimeter waiting for the pass for the uncontested three while his teammate drives toward the basket for our guys to over pursue on defense!:oops:
 
I didn't see the game but in looking at the box score they had 21 assists on 27 made shots...that's pretty impressive..one guy plays over 30 minutes and 9 guys get double digit minutes...that would be nice too.

Seems like Andrew waits until the second half to get going.....if he can score any time he wants I'm thinking he should start in the first half

It is good to see some scoring from our young guys.
 
ER3 said:
Watch the games and look at all the wide-open threes we give up...it isn't hard for guys to have career games if they never have to hit a contested shot from the perimeter...
Chase the ball...overpursue...chase the ball...reversal...wide open 3 after wide open 3...it's been happening for years now...
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Yup!
 
Buesch N Chips said:
Everyone knows what your point is. It's your purpose for every post. But if you are going to acknowledge potential shortcomings in scouting, preparedness, and fundamentals, which I am sure are also judged by the people that do the hiring and firing, you also need to be fair and acknowledge injuries, inexperience, and bad luck, even if it does not support your agenda. And vice versa. It goes for the rose-colored glasses crowd as well as the poop-colored ones. Failure to present both sides is a failure to be objective.
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bad luck?

isnt that offset by good luck?
 
What I took from last night's game (besides that we could possibly end up 1-17):

WL is our most tenacious player - he is not afraid to get up and defend in the opposition's face, and taking it to the rack on offense. I really like what he offers the team. Work on his 10-foot jumper and he'll be tough to stop.

DSE had a decent game, though he doesn't seem to be a solid PG. I think Walt might have an edge on him.

A-Dubb o.k. game, but couldn't hit outside shots like normal. Found other ways to score.

Our 1st-half defense was sooooooo porous (from the 12-minute mark on) - their inside-out game and passing around the perimeter gave them open looks all half. Why can't we do that? We have to force up shots more than any other team in the Valley.

I was happy to see Milos playing, albeit for 6 minutes. He was just off from making a couple 3 bombs.

JE is a good role player - we need him to give us 15 min. or so next year, but he's just not a scorer. He does the intangibles, but this season, when our scoring is at a premium, his inability to score is exposed.

WE looked worse than I've ever seen him. The prospect of him returning next year doesn't excite me - I really thought he had potential, but it's taken too long. I just don't see him breaking out and playing consistent. We basically just have TB (maybe) and JP to rely on down low for next season...not good enough for Top 3 in the Valley unless JP really improves, which he could, but we have will have no depth in the low post again, but brimming with talent at guard.

I still stand by my opinion that this team works harder than teams from the last 2 seasons. We saw in the 1st 4 games how never giving up and working hard on both ends can result in a W. I'm pleased with the players working hard despite an 0-8 record and frustration evident.
 
lefty said:
Seems like Andrew waits until the second half to get going.....if he can score any time he wants I'm thinking he should start in the first half
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See the Bears v. Seahawks second half to explain that. Hasselbeck finished with a decent line, but the Seahawks were never in it and he didn't perform when it mattered.

These good second halves that everyone keeps harping on are a product of BU getting their brains beaten in during the first half. I don't think any coach in the valley has any desire to run the score up on a team in the second half. It is that whole karma thing perhaps. Or knowing they'll have a down year once in awhile.

This is the first season I can ever remember with so many lopsided games in the Valley.
 
ER3 said:
How can that be? I thought losing your two best players means that it is a certainty that you will lose every Valley game? How is it that Indy State is 7-1? Hmmmm....8)
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Why do I feel the need to follow you around the threads and disagree with you? :) 1st they are not out all season and the emotional part of a heart ailment is not there... They also may not be their two best players...but its ok...Indy is better than we are...way better
 
bustudent said:
When will someone just say that the coaches are not good enough and neither are they players.
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we are being outcoached and outplayed....how is that?

surely you see that we all know that, however there are circumstances that others have turned a blind eye to...they just don't exist..
 
ER3 said:
I think the reason that Indy State keeps getting brought up is because it seems like every time someone brings up the opinion that it is totally inexcusable for BU to go this far into the tank...the "optimistic voices" on the board tell us over and over again..."of course we can't win...we lost two quality players, what do you expect...?" That response doesn't hold a lot of water when you've got a team at the top of our conference overachieving without having two of their best players for much of the time...
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ER..please show me where anyone said "we can not win"...again you can not compare Indy and BU with respect to injuries...there is no comparrison...and no two ways about it...Indst is a very very good team...I would say they are better than us with TB and SM....but wouldn't it be great to see it for real...
 
mrcoachdude said:
we are being outcoached and outplayed....how is that?

surely you see that we all know that, however there are circumstances that others have turned a blind eye to...they just don't exist..
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I don't think we are benig outcoached, I think BU is being under-coached regardless of the opponent. As Pogo said, "we have met the enemy and he is us"
 
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