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BU 68--CU 81 final post game thread

Some things never get fixed. Whether we're playing zone or man, we give up 8 to 10 WIDE OPEN threes ... every game. Some are dumbfounded that the opposition are shooting lights out from three-land. We're lucky to get one or two open looks per game.

Our shot goes up ... everyone heads downcourt. Unless it's the individual who just missed a bunny. No offensive boards.

When we fall behind, turn those 6'2" guards loose to "create" against the 6'10" defenders. Because, after all, the MVC IS a guard-oriented conference.
 
squirrelgotdead said:
Disagree...if the Sycamores are legitimate. If anything, this keeps the pipe-dream 3-bid scenario alive (particularly if some random 3rd team wins the tournament).

You have to keep in mind too that Kelly has missed 5 games and Lathan as well. At full strength I think the Sycs have only lost twice all year.
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How can that be? I thought losing your two best players means that it is a certainty that you will lose every Valley game? How is it that Indy State is 7-1? Hmmmm....8)
 
squirrelgotdead said:
Disagree...if the Sycamores are legitimate. If anything, this keeps the pipe-dream 3-bid scenario alive (particularly if some random 3rd team wins the tournament).

You have to keep in mind too that Kelly has missed 5 games and Lathan as well. At full strength I think the Sycs have only lost twice all year.
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I'm still not taking the Indiana St at-large plot seriously yet. Get back to me in 2 weeks if they extend to 11-1.

Missouri St is definitely allowed a mulligan, considering going 3-1 on the road against the group of CU, WSU, UNI, and InSU is perfectly kosher with the selection committee.

Wichita St is the one I'm worried about a little bit.
 
squirrelgotdead said:
It should be obvious at this point: Injuries, inexperience and just plain old bad luck.

Nothing at all to do with scouting, preparedness and fundamentals.
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Although the antagonistic sarcasm is getting pretty grating, I think all 6 are probably worth looking at. However, I have to believe that the staff scouts the opponent adequately and prepares a game plan to the best of their ability.
 
ER3 said:
How can that be? I thought losing your two best players means that it is a certainty that you will lose every Valley game? How is it that Indy State is 7-1? Hmmmm....8)
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Ever think it has more to do with the fact that Kelly and Latham maybe aren't their 2 best players? They have some other kids who have replaced them who are just as good, and are better shooters (Carter, Printy, Odum, McWhorter).
 
I think you are wrong. They are a much better team with Carter and Printy playing more. Kelly was and is grossly overrated.
 
Buesch N Chips said:
Although the antagonistic sarcasm is getting pretty grating, I think all 6 are probably worth looking at. However, I have to believe that the staff scouts the opponent adequately and prepares a game plan to the best of their ability.
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You do realize Indiana State played large chunks of last season without 4 starters and tied us in the league standing, right?

If you can't stand constructive criticism, I can't help you.
 
squirrelgotdead said:
It should be obvious at this point: Injuries, inexperience and just plain old bad luck.

Nothing at all to do with scouting, preparedness and fundamentals.
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No depth has a lot to do with being inconsistent, no inside play which has been going on for quite some time, opponents always have at least one player that has a career scoring night against us, I believe most of this is caused by bad fundamentals, preparedness and poor recruiting.
 
squirrelgotdead said:
I have little doubt they work hard and that that is an incorrect statement in any way. That's not the point.
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Everyone knows what your point is. It's your purpose for every post. But if you are going to acknowledge potential shortcomings in scouting, preparedness, and fundamentals, which I am sure are also judged by the people that do the hiring and firing, you also need to be fair and acknowledge injuries, inexperience, and bad luck, even if it does not support your agenda. And vice versa. It goes for the rose-colored glasses crowd as well as the poop-colored ones. Failure to present both sides is a failure to be objective.
 
Buesch N Chips said:
Everyone knows what your point is. It's your purpose for every post. But if you are going to acknowledge potential shortcomings in scouting, preparedness, and fundamentals, which I am sure are also judged by the people that do the hiring and firing, you also need to be fair and acknowledge injuries, inexperience, and bad luck, even if it does not support your agenda. And vice versa. It goes for the rose-colored glasses crowd as well as the poop-colored ones. Failure to present both sides is a failure to be objective.
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No one on this entire board is truly objective.
Everyone has an agenda...everyone has their own theory as to what needs to be done to fix the problem...and that theory creeps into ever post that is made out here...just the way it is in message board land...
 
squirrelgotdead said:
You do realize Indiana State played large chunks of last season without 4 starters and tied us in the league standing, right?

If you can't stand constructive criticism, I can't help you.
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Please. This is how urban myths get started.

Only 3 of their "starters" missed any games due to injuries-Dwayne Lathan, Jake Kelly, and Harry Marshall. And Lathan was not a starter early in the season and became a regular starter after Kelly's injury. No other player on their roster missed any significant time with injuries. So how did you come up with the "4 starters"?

Harry Marshall missed 7 games (only missed 4 MVC games).
Dwayne Lathan missed 12 games.
Jake Kelly missed 20 games.

That is a total of 39 missed games by Indiana State starters.

Bradley had Dodie Dunson who missed 29 games, and another dozen more missed by various other players. So your point is moot.
 
I never like comparing specific situations with other programs. All I'm hearing is Indiana St this, Indiana St that, that's dandy and all, but irrelevant to this program. We have our own expectations and shouldn't use other teams' performances to substitute for it.

We have enough problems as is, we don't need to go spot other teams to show what the problems are.
 
TheAsianSensation said:
I never like comparing specific situations with other programs. All I'm hearing is Indiana St this, Indiana St that, that's dandy and all, but irrelevant to this program. We have our own expectations and shouldn't use other teams' performances to substitute for it.

We have enough problems as is, we don't need to go spot other teams to show what the problems are.
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TAS, that is not what happened. Just the opposite.
There are problems at Bradley, but we are being told we should have no trouble overcoming them because the Sycamores were able to do it (never mind that the Sycamores' injury problems were grossly exaggerated above).
 
Da Coach said:
TAS, that is not what happened. Just the opposite.
There are problems at Bradley, but we are being told we should have no trouble overcoming them because the Sycamores were able to do it (never mind that the Sycamores' injury problems were grossly exaggerated above).
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That's sorta what I'm saying. Their injury situation is different. Their personnel is different. Their program is different. I don't get why they matter to so many with respect to Bradley's current situation.
 
TheAsianSensation said:
That's sorta what I'm saying. Their injury situation is different. Their personnel is different. Their program is different. I don't get why they matter to so many with respect to Bradley's current situation.
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I think the reason that Indy State keeps getting brought up is because it seems like every time someone brings up the opinion that it is totally inexcusable for BU to go this far into the tank...the "optimistic voices" on the board tell us over and over again..."of course we can't win...we lost two quality players, what do you expect...?" That response doesn't hold a lot of water when you've got a team at the top of our conference overachieving without having two of their best players for much of the time...
 
Braves4Life said:
Why does this continually happen DC? It happened last year and again this year. Why are these career games always coming at our expense?
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Because we dont play D and we havent in 9 years. I dont think we finished in the top half of the league on D when we had POB (I might be wrong) but every other year we were horrible for. I have been pointing out other teams having players go for a career high against us for years. We have had one person in 9 years who can block a shot and a few decent one on one defenders who get killed because we dont rotate correctly, dont blocks shots and generally dont rebound.
 
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