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Bradley - Quincy Game Thread

BUBraves06 said:
He turned it personal and felt the need to tell the cops that if we weren't quiet we were gonna get kicked out. .
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there was also an exchange between Quincy head coach Marty Bell
and one of the referees (the white-haired guy) during the second half when Quincy was shooting free throws.
The student section was up and screaming and the FT shooter tossed an airball.....
Bell went to the ref and insisted that the fans could not be standing on those risers and in the aisles and along the end-court,
and that they would need to sit down.
I could see the ref responding that it was not a call the game ref would make and was something he'd have to take up with the AD...
I guess Bell was just trying to get any advantage he could when his player #21 (Jeff Wilson) was on the line.
That guy was terrible shooting FTs. Opponents are going to foul him like crazy this season!!
 
Hey T, Good thoughts about my 47 points remark. But, I still stand by the fact that it was unacceptable ... luckily, Coach Les felt the same way :-). I knew we were going to win the game because of our superior depth and talent, but this had to be something that really ticked coach (and myself) off, because of how important playing good defense is.

I guess the most important thing to remember is that this team is incredibly talented and could have a lackluster defensive performance for a half and beat many teams on our schedule. But, that won't cut it against the better opponents on our non-conference schedule.

I haven't been lucky enough to see this team in person yet (thankfully we're playing in Chicago again so I can see them locally), but from everything I've heard on the broadcasts, there's no reason this team can't be absolutely fabulous once we iron out all the little stuff. I just hope it's sooner rather than later. A record of say, 10-2, will look a lot better than going into conference play 8-4 or 7-5.

It's because we have such a great coaching staff, program, team, etc., that I just expect that much more out of them now. The time for being good is over, I want them to be great!

Go Braves :)
 
BUBraves2006 said:
I guess the most important thing to remember is that this team is incredibly talented and could have a lackluster defensive performance for a half and beat many teams on our schedule. But, that won't cut it against the better opponents on our non-conference schedule.
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I was thinkin the same thing. I know that there are a lot of new guys on the roster and I'm sure their still getting to know each other and how each person plays but I hope things round into form this week in practice for the game Saturday. The defense needs to be intense for 40 minutes, not just 20.

A few other things:

-We need to hit the glass harder plain and simple.
-One thing I noticed, which was more in the first half, when a player from Quincy would drive our post players would basically step out of the way giving the guy an easy hoop. Someone either needs to rotate off the person they are guarding and help or step in and take a charge.
-I really liked how aggresive David Collins was under the basket.
-Theron Wilson reminds me so much of JJ already. He doesn't shoot a lot but plays intense defense and attacks the hoop to get rebounds.
 
I have said this before we will be as good as our DEFENSE! We gave up to many points regardless of how many we scored. Defense is a mind set and we need to be in that mind set every game, every minute and every play! Our O will have an off night and if we play D we can be in it and pull it off. Rebounds are also a mind set of that ball is mine and let's box out. Everyone remebers the Bulls during their glory years and what set them apart from any other team was their D. I'm sure JL will be drilling them this week.....
 
First time I have seen the team this year, here are a few thoughts

Ruffin is picking up were he left off last year, he looks great and should score even more this year.

JC played good D, stayed within the offence and while he may not lead the country in 3pt shooting again he will be a great player for us this year.

Warren looked good and aggressive on O and D, he has to start next week.

Wilson does a lot of little things well but Im worried he will get the JJ treatment on O. He didnt even look to shoot and teams in the Valley may lay off him.

Salley looks bigger and hopefully will be able to score in the post consistantly or at least draw some help so teams cant guard him one on one

TCS- Can probably score 20 a game if he were the focal point of our O. Looke like a quicker Will Franklin and I love how he elevates on his shot. Another great JUCO find for Les

Sam M has a nice shot and should have looked to shoot more I thought but looked slow on D. He got beat of the dribble 3 or 4 times and Im worried he wont be able to stay with the quicker guards in the league. Did anyone else notice that?

Egolf look good better then the reports from the first game. Imagine when he gets into the flow and becomes our "4th guard" He is going to be a match up nightmare before his time at Bradley is over.

Collins can shoot free throws which is great, looked better then I thought he would on O but needs to be a better presence for us on D. We need him to block some shots.

Singh looked the best he has ever looked at Bradley. He has lost alot of weight and I think he will earn minutes this year.


All and all not to bad, the first half made me want to vomit but the adjusted nicely and looked good in the second half. I also noticed some full court pressure which I hope we see more during the season
 
Quick Thoughts...most have probably been expressed already (in no particular order) -

1.) Warren needs to be our 3rd starting guard. When he's aggressive and confident offensively, he is very, very good.
2.) Not sold on Wilson starting, but I trust JL that his defense and rebounding earn him the spot.
3.) Collins is going to be a very solid big man when he figures 'it' out. It's a gradual process, and just like Jim said - You can see the progressions game-to-game. There may be bumps early, but the end will be something special.
4.) TCS is awesome.
5.) Sammy M needs to stay aggressive offensively, i.e. looking for his shot. He seemed a bit passive in the 1st half which i think contributed to his turnovers.
6.) Ruffin may be the best point guard in America (I am not usually one for hyperbole).
7.) Egolf - See #3. He looks night and day from where he was a week ago. More confident, more comfortable. Nice to see that 3 go down in the 2nd half.
8.) Singh looked good, would like to see them get him the ball on the block a little more when he's in the game.
9.) Redshirt Thompson. Yes, he's talented enough to contribute this year. But if he's only going to get garbage time, don't make the same mistake we made with Ray Brown.
10.) Austin is showing why the summer IS important.
11.) JC is showing no ill-effects from his injuries, which is great to see.
12.) Defense and rebounding need a LOT of work. Kinda concerned on how bad both areas have been. I think they'll get better as guys get to know each other and continue to progress (see Collins and Egolf comments).

It's very obvious this group is still getting to know each other. Guys aren't quite sure where they're going to be offensively and defensively. But, like Jim said in the postgame, you can see the positive steps being made every game. The 2nd half was great, and there were things to build on, but we CANNOT continue to let inferior competition get to the rim at will and outrebound us. We will have cold shooting nights (see the 1st half today), and we can't defend or rebound, we'll get blown out. That being said, I expect Saturday that we'll see a performance similar to the 2nd half rather than the 1st half.
 
Lakeview Brave said:
First time I have seen the team this year, here are a few thoughts

Ruffin is picking up were he left off last year, he looks great and should score even more this year.

JC played good D, stayed within the offence and while he may not lead the country in 3pt shooting again he will be a great player for us this year.

Warren looked good and aggressive on O and D, he has to start next week.

Wilson does a lot of little things well but Im worried he will get the JJ treatment on O. He didnt even look to shoot and teams in the Valley may lay off him.

Salley looks bigger and hopefully will be able to score in the post consistantly or at least draw some help so teams cant guard him one on one

TCS- Can probably score 20 a game if he were the focal point of our O. Looke like a quicker Will Franklin and I love how he elevates on his shot. Another great JUCO find for Les

Sam M has a nice shot and should have looked to shoot more I thought but looked slow on D. He got beat of the dribble 3 or 4 times and Im worried he wont be able to stay with the quicker guards in the league. Did anyone else notice that?

Egolf look good better then the reports from the first game. Imagine when he gets into the flow and becomes our "4th guard" He is going to be a match up nightmare before his time at Bradley is over.

Collins can shoot free throws which is great, looked better then I thought he would on O but needs to be a better presence for us on D. We need him to block some shots.

Singh looked the best he has ever looked at Bradley. He has lost alot of weight and I think he will earn minutes this year.


All and all not to bad, the first half made me want to vomit but the adjusted nicely and looked good in the second half. I also noticed some full court pressure which I hope we see more during the season
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Sam M. may be too slow, but I don't think he needs to guard everyone so CLOSE!
 
Just got back....Ruf looked good. His block was simply one of the best I've seen in years. Theron works his but off. He seems to know his role quite well. Crouch will be fine. His shot looks good. Like Radigan said its his short shots that are killing him. Sam needs to slow down just a bit IMO. He'll be ok. He needs to look to score when its there...he can shoot the ball. Will looked a bit better. Still a step slow on D but he does have a nice shot. Warren needs to recognize, and I think he is, that he's a go to guy and he needs to be aggressive. SWEET reverse dunk. After he made that his confidence or desire changed. He attacked offensively.
Cole-scott does not force things. I hope he can stop the carries...if indeed they were. I was to far away to tell. Collins needs to just keep working hard. Its good he can shoot free throws because he doesn't appear strong enough to finish shots right now. He also has to quit shooting with his back to the basket when he's 7-8 feet away. Grab it, kick it out and keep working to get closer. Salley had one of the only true post moves of the evening by a big. Sam S looked good in very limited minutes.

Overall I'm concerned about our low post D. I still think much of this is JL experimenting which is what these games are for. Certainly a tale of two halves.

These refs though. I just can't take it sometimes. is EVERYTHING a foul. I mean come on. Credit to the players for not letting it affect their play. They just shook their heads and laughed a few times but played on. Its almost as if the refs were saying to BU, You're a D1 team you shouldn't have to make those fouls and we'll give the Quincy team a bit more slack.

WHY is it a foul when absolutley nothing in the flow of the game is changed or affected one lousy bit. Salley went up for a rebound with two other guys...all three just made un avoidable contact and somehow they come up with a foul on Salley. He (Sally) was just stunned, looking at JL as if to say "what did I do".

BU has work to do....I know they will work hard. We are NOT a second place Valley team right now. JMHO. I see potential. This maybe a year where we need patience as long as they keep getting better as the year goes on.

Go to work guys.....
 
Dogs...thanks for the reminder.

The officiating was AWFUL. Not sure who they were, but I hope they weren't a Valley crew. Man was that first half bad. I guess they're allowed to work out the kinks in the preseason too, but wow. Bad.
 
Sam M

Sam M

I also notice Sam M cannot guard his man. He also had too many turnovers. I think he should shoot more often. He has a nice looking shot. I do not think that he could be on the floor with either Ruffin or Cole-Scott because of the lack of height. Ruffin seems to be able to handle a taller player, but he has so much more experience.
 
Ok we recruited big men, but where are they?

Ok we recruited big men, but where are they?

Ok, I know the season hasn't started yet, so the playing time can evolve, but Jim did say today would look more like the lineups we'll see--there is absoultely no reason to go as small as it appears Jim is leading towards. Look at the rebounding totals for the two games--that is undeniably bad given whom we were playing. Ok, with Salley and Sam back for this game, I thought what we'd do is have at least a true 4 and 5 player in there at most times, but it doesn't appear we are going that way.

I thought one possbibility is that we's start the season by the big fellas in a "committe" type of fashion--spreading out fouls and seeing who develops as the season progressed, but I am not sure how to describe what today was: Eglof 12 minutes, Austin 3 minutes, Thompson 4 minutes, Singh 8 minutes, and Salley 23 minutes. 50 minutes total for 2 to 3 positions (true 4 and 5). Ok, even if we adheared to a smaller line-up, that line should talley 80 minutes, not 50. Sam M. is scrappy and looks advanced for a freshman, but he is prone to turnover the ball, and I am not sure about him getting so many minutes at the two spot at the expense of the inside players.

I may be prematurely stating the following, but I think it may need to be said. Last year's system was fun to watch, but was created out of need due to the lack of size, and that lack of size was a glaring weekness. We recruited to address that weakness, but it appears that we are not ready utilize those players yet, but I am not sure why. I hope what the coaching thought is that the guards are further along than the big guys at this point in the year, and as the big men develop, the playing time will increase. What I hope is not the case is that we are beholden to a system where we use either a very small three guard to a four guard lineup. There is no reason at all why Salley should be the biggest player on the floor for us for even one minute of the game (unless, of course, we are suffering severe foul problems).
 
BradleyBrave said:
Dogs...thanks for the reminder.

The officiating was AWFUL. Not sure who they were, but I hope they weren't a Valley crew. Man was that first half bad. I guess they're allowed to work out the kinks in the preseason too, but wow. Bad.
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Sad to say they ARE a VAlley crew. Its just down right difficult to watch. How many times did a Quincy player go flying out of control....bang or bump into a BU player BECAUSE he was out of control, fall to the ground and BU get called for the foul. I mean its basketball....the defensive guy has a right to his position as much as the offensive guy does. It was a clear case of the less talent getting the call over decent positional defense.

BU had a perfect trap a couple times....the dribbler tried to split the trap by just blasting through because the two defensive guys were giving him no room to dribble through , he gets his legs tangled up and falls down and its foul on BU. On another play the offensive guy going for a layup turned his entire body sideways carrying himself past the point of a layup to under the basket taking the BU player with him. He had NO chance at the shot just flipping it up....again FOUL BU.

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH....
 
One thing I forgot to mention in regards to rebounding is our boxing out. It's as fundamental as it gets, but year after year we're very poor at it. Our size on the floor wouldn't be as much of an issue if we boxed out better. We constantly turn and look, and don't check out on the shot. We then try to outjump people. With POB we could get away with it. The other 4 years of the JL era we could not. I don't think we'll be able to get away with it this year. Rebounding fundamentals MUST improve.
 
molar50 said:
I do not think that he could be on the floor with either Ruffin or Cole-Scott because of the lack of height.
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I have the feeling that you are going to see two out of those three on the floor the majority of the game (obviously Ruffin is going to get some major minutes). While BU will be a little bit smaller than their opponent at the one and two spot, I think they'll have the advantage. The key is going to be the other three guys with them getting the rebounds.
 
tornado said:
there was also an exchange between Quincy head coach Marty Bell
and one of the referees (the white-haired guy) during the second half when Quincy was shooting free throws.
The student section was up and screaming and the FT shooter tossed an airball.....
Bell went to the ref and insisted that the fans could not be standing on those risers and in the aisles and along the end-court,
and that they would need to sit down.
I could see the ref responding that it was not a call the game ref would make and was something he'd have to take up with the AD...
I guess Bell was just trying to get any advantage he could when his player #21 (Jeff Wilson) was on the line.
That guy was terrible shooting FTs. Opponents are going to foul him like crazy this season!!
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First of all I couldn't believe when that ref turned around and started talking to us students when we were yelling about his terrible call. Oh yeah, there was foul language used against the ref guys, I heard it, and that is probably why the ref went and got the assistant athletic director and got the Cop involved, who said he would be kicking people out if it happened again. What happened to free speech?? Anyway, It really seemed like the ref got pissed and right after that THIS ref called about 3 fouls on BU in a row. I was just extremely upset with the officiating.

One other thing, we were screaming at the Quincy coach to get off the floor, the first five minutes of the game this guy was about 3 feet on the floor when a play was going on! I think Cole-Scott almost stepped on him at one point. Then I got even more pissed when the previous ref I was talking about started chatting up with the coach, looked like they were old friends for while there. Anyway, just left a bad taste in my mouth from it, especially since it was the first half.

As far as the players-

I'm not sure why Austin didn't much for playing time, but when he was in there he definitaly is not a real post player. I think he is just a little to small. He did get dominated inside at one point.

Tyrone has such a high jump shot it is just great to watch. He elevates extremely high, and even though he only had a couple of three's, if he comes off the bench and does that kind of stuff every game he will be a good boost to the Offense.

JC is looking ok, I know he did have a slow start to last year, so I'm not worried. Ruffin looks amazing as usuall.

In the Post--I wanted to see Singh play for a while longer today, I'm interested as to what he will contribute this year. Salley looked fine, and COllins looks like he will be able to score inside, I'm just worried about our inside defense. They were letting the Quincy guards in much to easily, and playing off the chance that the ballhandler might pass, instead of just stopping the ballhandler. Theron Wilson looks good, not much offense though.

Warren--Best surprise of the day in my opinion. I really hope we get to see alot of him this semester. When he got aggressive he was great. Also that underneath slam was awesome. He also did a good job nocking down his free throws, especially after he was fouled shooting a three.
 
We need to start rebounding more aggressively as it appears our bigs are not physical enough under the basket; size only matters if you get good position and go up with the intent that you are going to get the ball and no one else is going to keep you from getting it.
Did anyone else notice the official ( Gerry Pollard ) going in front of the student section because one of the students was letting him have it because of a poor foul call made against Bradley; he should have stayed out on the floor but chose to go over to the students section which in turn stirred one of them up even more and then he went over to a policeman and pointed the student out to him as if he wanted him to do something about it; none of this would have happened if the official had acted professionally and stayed out on the floor.
 
Big Guys

Big Guys

I do like that we have a lot of big guys that could play. I think that we could use all of their fouls, and bang up on a teams big guy. Say SIUs falker, have singh bang around him for a bit, then throw collins, austin, salley, etc. none of them may be falkers ability, but if they all can bang on him, he could get worn down.
 
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