Bradley mascot

[Beninator]

I like the Gargolyle that is my avatar better then the scared looking one.

I like the gargoyle in your avatar much better SFP. No offense intended to anyone, but the larger gargoyle graphic does not look right......

 

[Chico]

The Arizona State Sun Devils have changed their logo and there is no more Sun Devil on their uniforms. It has been replaced with only the pitchfork. The Sun Devil will remain as the mascot though. Some fans are complaining saying we are the Sun Devils not the Pitchforks. I know we can't use the Brave mascot anymore, and I still don't agree with that, but I can say we are the Braves and, IMO, nothing else makes sense.

 

[jeffsu]

So Chico, how about tossing a tomahawk on our jerseys/logos?

I still don't really care about a physical, costumed, mascot... I think it's more about having an image that connects with our name. What's wrong with the tomahawk?

 

[Bradleyguy10]

So Chico, how about tossing a tomahawk on our jerseys/logos... Still don't really care about a physical, costumed, mascot... I think it's more about having an image that connects with our name. What's wrong with the tomahawk?

It draws parallels to Indians...which is exactly what we need to avoid when on probation. If we aren't on probation anymore then it might be the thing that gets us put on probation again.

 

[jeffsu]

I get what the issue was... But I think Bradley could go through the NCAA to make sure they are okay with it. A tomahawk is not, on its own, any more offensive than a "sun devil."

The key, to me, is you've taken the characterization out of the native American imagery. no more "person" involved.

 

[Da Coach]

I don't think the NCAA would allow a tomahawk, especially since Bradley, in order to keep the name Braves, made the promise to the NCAA they would forever avoid using any native American imagery.

William and Mary only had a couple innocuous feathers in their logo, and it was enough for the NCAA demand they remove them-
Old logo-

New logo-

 

[tornado]

But money talks so Florida State can use these images, right??
if this was truly about principal then there would be NO allowable circumstance to offend Native Americans with these logos, right?

 

[Chico]

So Chico, how about tossing a tomahawk on our jerseys/logos?

I still don't really care about a physical, costumed, mascot... I think it's more about having an image that connects with our name. What's wrong with the tomahawk?

+1

 

[Future Walk-On]

I get what the issue was... But I think Bradley could go through the NCAA to make sure they are okay with it. A tomahawk is not, on its own, any more offensive than a "sun devil."

The key, to me, is you've taken the characterization out of the native American imagery. no more "person" involved.

A tomahawk is 99.9% Native American.....so why wouldn't there be a problem? you would be depicting a NA weapon. Insinuating violence among NA's

Lets put Teepees, feathers, head dresses, bows and arrows, wigwams, and NA language on everything

 

[wizard1]

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t---You are not quite correct in your statement that the Fla. State mascot matter was resolved by or influenced by money. Here's what really happened:

1. A few years ago, Michael Hainey, the anti indian mascot activist met with Florida State officials including the President in an attempt to eliminate the FSU Seminole Tribe Imagery, mascots, etc. The FSU President invited the Seminole Nation tribal council leaders including their Chairman to also attend.
2. The tribal council Chairman pointed out that the Seminole Tribe very much favored and were honored by the FSU/Seminole relationship. He reminded Hainey that FSU had a scholarship program for Seminole students and that they conducted special classes for young Seminole children.
3. He pointed out that the Seminole mascot riding the horse was a replica of his great great Grandfather Chief Osceola. and that the mascots headress and clothing was a replica of Osceolas original and in fact,was sewn by the wives of the Seminole Tribal Council.
4. Finally, he explained that the council and most of the tribe were avid FSU fans.
5. FSU then reviewed this entire matter with the NCAA and said they would keep the Seminole imagery and would strongly oppose with legal action, any NCAA attempt to force a change.
6. Today the FSU Seminole is alive and well and may be the most exciting and well known mascot in Div. I athletics.

 

[Beninator]

The Arizona State Sun Devils have changed their logo and there is no more Sun Devil on their uniforms. It has been replaced with only the pitchfork. The Sun Devil will remain as the mascot though. Some fans are complaining saying we are the Sun Devils not the Pitchforks. I know we can't use the Brave mascot anymore, and I still don't agree with that, but I can say we are the Braves and, IMO, nothing else makes sense.

Fear the Fork! :lol:

Just to add something here, ASU worked in conjunction with Nike to redesign their uniforms, logo etc... ---not sure how much I like that idea if I am affiliated with the school---

http://phxfan.com/2011/04/asu-unveils-new-look-in-athletics-black-is-back/

 

[Beninator]

A tomahawk is 99.9% Native American.....so why wouldn't there be a problem? you would be depicting a NA weapon. Insinuating violence among NA's

Lets put Teepees, feathers, head dresses, bows and arrows, wigwams, and NA language on everything

I agree.. Regardless of how anyone feels, we are not going to be able to have a mascot with even a remote hint of a Native American connotation. It's time to move on... However, I do favor a mascot that is a play on the word "Braves"... We need to do something and do it the right way, as the current logo sucks!

 

[tornado]

but wiz -- all those same alibis were totally discounted in other cases of NCAA schools using the same imagery -- and only when the Seminole nation make a pact with the school (and in return to garner some of the cash money that comes from the sales of items) did they grant their approval for their use.

Remember how schizoid and hypocritical they are when they outlaw some but allow others like Hawkeye, Illini, Tribe, Utes, Chippewas, Redhawks, etc...
They also allow other racial, religious, and ethnic groups to be treated precisely as they claim it is UNFAIR to treat NA's....groups such as Deacons, Irish, Mountaineers, Governors, Gents, Matadors, Dukes, Colonels, Paladins, Patriots, Crusaders, Gaels, Minutemen, Cowboys, Raiders, Warriors, Rebels, Midshipmen, Cadets, Musketeers, Boilermaker, and that's not to mention the other mascots like Pistol Pete and the dumb Purdue guy...

at least Elon got rid of their mascot, the Fighting Christian, without a fight...

BTW -- Harvard -- who call themselves the "Crimson" actually have as their mascot,
a silly caricature of a white, middle-aged, Anglo-Saxon male

I am offended and I want justice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Here's the one I like best -- too bad someone beat us to it...the
D-II Williams Purple Cows...

 

[wizard1]

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Bradley Mascot

t---I understand what you are saying. However, FSU has had a large schloarship program for Seminole students and conducted summer school classes for Seminole children long before the issue of indian mascots and imagery began.
Additionally, the other difference is that FSU honored a specific indian tribe from their state with the approval and encouragement of that tribe.
On the other hand, "Hawkeyes" are not a specific tribe and Sioux indians are spread out all over the U.S. in many tribes.
I believe FSU was fortunate in their closeness with the Seminole Nation.
Also, they had the guts to take a strong stand believing that their cause was right. Most schools didn't have any kind of strong past history linking them to their imagery and they caved in to the NCAA rather that fight.

 

[thefish7]

My brother always used to joke about calling a Peoria CBA team the Peoria Prestidigitators, so maybe we could roll with that. The Bradley Prestidigitators.

:lol:

 

[Da Coach]

t---I understand what you are saying. However, FSU has had a large schloarship program for Seminole students and conducted summer school classes for Seminole children long before the issue of indian mascots and imagery began.
Additionally, the other difference is that FSU honored a specific indian tribe from their state with the approval and encouragement of that tribe.
On the other hand, "Hawkeyes" are not a specific tribe and Sioux indians are spread out all over the U.S. in many tribes.
I believe FSU was fortunate in their closeness with the Seminole Nation.
Also, they had the guts to take a strong stand believing that their cause was right. Most schools didn't have any kind of strong past history linking them to their imagery and they caved in to the NCAA rather that fight.

The Seminoles get revenue and scholarships from Florida State University, so of course they approve of the use of the name and imagery.
However, the Indian imagery (the spear, feathers, face paint, etc) used by FSU is not specific nor unique to the Seminoles. Virtually all other tribes and native American groups are offended by and opposed to the use of such imagery as a mascot and logo. So if the NCAA was truly consistent with their supposed reasons for their stance on this, they would not make exceptions like FSU just because a single tribe approves it. The fact that they do is clearly an indication of their hypocrisy, unfairness, and inconsistency.

 

[FlyingSpaghettiMonster]

but wiz -- all those same alibis were totally discounted in other cases of NCAA schools using the same imagery -- and only when the Seminole nation make a pact with the school (and in return to garner some of the cash money that comes from the sales of items) did they grant their approval for their use.

Do you have a source for this statement? I've heard something similar.

Coach, do you really expect consistency from the NCAA?

 

[tornado]

yes, it is actually well documented that they use those insignias and emblems only by permission from the Seminole nation --as I noted they don't grant the same rights to the high schools who cannot play the fees

 

[FlyingSpaghettiMonster]

yes, it is actually well documented that they use those insignias and emblems only by permission from the Seminole nation --as I noted they don't grant the same rights to the high schools who cannot play the fees

I'm asking for a source that the Seminoles have been paid. If it is well documented, then you shouldn't have any trouble finding a source. Just sayin...