I just listened to the post game interview with Coach Les. He blamed everything on his players and did not accept one iota of responsibility. I think that the responsibility can be spread around to include the coach as well. And... would they please stop saying how good Iowa State is. They are a good team and that is all. Not a great team... not even close.
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FutureBrave2013
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I'm pretty new to the program (as far as following day to day) but I've listened to Les' post game comments after disappointing losses three times. Today, the Loyola game Wednesday, and last year's blow out loss to Butler and in not one of those games did Les take any responsibility.
That's a problem.
chitown fanatic
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Actually I did hear him say this one's on me. At the very end before signing off he said something to that effect, and I have to say that anytime some of his upperclassmen feel like getting off the bus ready to play, it would be a first since Vegas. Taylor Brown and Maniscalco have had back to back flat out dreadful games.
Dallas Brave
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Did he say anything about a need to get back to the basics 
BradleyBrave
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Isn't the place where you hang your hat usually in the corner or in a closet where you don't have to see it or acknowledge it? That's the way we treat defense, rebounding, and post play. So in that case, saying we 'hang our hat' on those things is pretty accurate!
I'd like us to put players in the position that they are made for. That means we play SS and AT at the 5, WE at the 4, TB,MK at the 3 AW,JE, CR at the 2 and SM, EM at the 1! Then just maybe we will have the size and muscle to play hard. Our D is soft and teams are keying on SM especially when he is playing the 2. They are pounding the boards because our 4-5 are too small to handle theirs. This is D1 basketball and flaws are exposed and are hard to hide within a game let alone from one game to another. We are missing a true 5 and a 4 that can clean the boards.
Now is that the players fault that they are not a few inches taller and 25 lbs bigger. ODU and Oakland had those players, why not us?
Now is that the players fault that they are not a few inches taller and 25 lbs bigger. ODU and Oakland had those players, why not us?
He did say that...But then went right back to saying something about going after the players.
bigdaddystuck
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I understand where this thread is coming from.
In the end it has to be a little of both. The players did not play well, execute the game plan, etc.... Perhaps coaching decisions did not put them in the proper position to excel...I think the blame is on everyones shoulders.
All I can hope for is that good things will come out of this....I know, I know what some are thinking....but the conference season has always been my focus point. Do well there and I don't think this will matter.
In the end it has to be a little of both. The players did not play well, execute the game plan, etc.... Perhaps coaching decisions did not put them in the proper position to excel...I think the blame is on everyones shoulders.
All I can hope for is that good things will come out of this....I know, I know what some are thinking....but the conference season has always been my focus point. Do well there and I don't think this will matter.
Ultimately this is on the coach's shoulders. If you have one or two players who play poorly then you can blame players but when you have the whole team play like this the last couple of games it has to go back to the coach.
A new season starts in the conference and we'll see how it goes.
A new season starts in the conference and we'll see how it goes.
I'm sure in the past I have heard him numerous times take responsibility. I don't know recently, but he has before. Sooner or later the players need to as well.
Even if some believe his coaching system is flawed, players should have enough experience to adjust during the course of a game. Eventually the players need to take responsibility for shoddy defense, errant shots and general lack of intensity. A coach can scream that all the time but if the players don't except responsibility, I don't know what else can be said.
BradleyBrave
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As much as the h-ll, fire, and brimstone approach seems appropriate at the moment, that approach won't work all week, and won't have a long-lasting effect on the players. Things should be difficult this week, but this team has zero confidence and zero swagger right now. The 'back to basics' approach is the right one - make them work their tails off, reward the ones that do, simplify things, and build their confidence going into the Drake game. It's a new beginning for everyone - coaches and players alike. We harp on JL and his bad conference record, well, he can shut people up by getting this team to play good basketball and overachieve in the conference season.
Responsibility does go to the coach and players both but ultimately it's the coach. He chooses the players he recruits, the staff and the style of play.
True, but again, it doesn't matter what scheme a team runs. You either have defensive intensity and energy or you don't. The ones who don't show up in practice will be the ones sitting next week at Drake.
yeah...that's why I never post in the "who should start" threads. The coaches are with them in all the practices and watch all the film so I figure they should know more then the rest of us in that regard.
I definetely agree with you they know better, I just like speculating who will start and who, from an outsiders perspective, I think should start.
I just find it fun to do, not that I know more than the coaches or that they should listen to me by any means. :lol:
Buesch N Chips
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I agree that JL needs to take his share of blame, as do the assistants. But, coaches are evaluated by what their players do. And the players are kids. They are not always going to do what you tell them. It comes with the job. Anyone who has been a coach knows that you could work the crap out of something in practice, get to the game, and everything you worked on falls apart, and as JL said, as a coach it is mindboggling. It doesn't matter what you are coaching at any level. It happens.
We've hopefully hit bottom this year (seems like we have to go through this every year about 10 games in). Hopefully the players will realize that they hold the key to the season.
We've hopefully hit bottom this year (seems like we have to go through this every year about 10 games in). Hopefully the players will realize that they hold the key to the season.
No question that both the players and coaches are at fault, the biggest problem I have is we seem to have this same meltdown every season at the same time and the players have changed so it is a direct reflection on Coach Les and how prepared this team is or has been at this time of the season, maybe rules or practice is not hard enough because he always seems to talk about how much harder practice is going to be and how they are going to have things taken away because they are not deserving of them.