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Billy Packer

I just sent my complaint! However, I used the "Click here for feedback about CBS Sports" link that was on the page from the original link.
 
The three-letter "F" word that is a slur against people with an "alternate" sex-orientation is exactly what the entire WORLD's media hammered Ozzie Guillen on last year when he used the word referring to Jay Mariotti.

The whole combined forces of the TV, radio, and the press ganged up on Ozzie and tried to run him out of town and even get him fired, or at least undergo couselling and sensitivity training!

Now let's see if the media is totally hypocritical or not, and will they hold Packer (one of their own) as responsible for his words as they did nationwide when Ozzie did it?? Or is it hypocritically OK for a media person to do it, but not so when someone uses it against a media person?
 
If anything, Packer should be held to a higher standard. Dealing with the press and public is only part of Guillen's job. Talking on television IS Packer's job. Even if, as one place has argued, he was using a dictionary definition of the word, if you're in broadcasting, you had better be smart enough to know that that is one of those words you just don't use. I don't care how you use it, if you do you're making yourself and your employer look like fools.

Oh, and most sports writers I know (granted none from the Chicago area) think only slightly more of Mariotti than Guillen does.
 
One rabid squirrel said:
If anything, Packer should be held to a higher standard. Dealing with the press and public is only part of Guillen's job. Talking on television IS Packer's job. Even if, as one place has argued, he was using a dictionary definition of the word, if you're in broadcasting, you had better be smart enough to know that that is one of those words you just don't use. I don't care how you use it, if you do you're making yourself and your employer look like fools.

Oh, and most sports writers I know (granted none from the Chicago area) think only slightly more of Mariotti than Guillen does.
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I agree, I knew when I heard it that was a dictionary use of the word. However, it does not make it any less offensive. I do think however, that will be CBS' defense in the situation saying that BPacker was just using a word in it's original context.
 
I understand so many of us can not stand Nantz or Packer, personally Nantz is more of an issue for me the Packer but, why would CBS move either of those two off their broadcasts?

They both, especially Packer cause people to talk, when people talk dont they generally go in droves to or gravitate towards those who cause the discussion and with more eyes tuned to CBS doesnt that make the advertisers happy along with the NCAA and CBS.

Ratings, I would assume, are high and the appeal of CBS's coverage and the NCAA tourney are at a huge high really. CBS would be a little silly to rid itself of Packer.
 
amckillip said:
One rabid squirrel said:
If anything, Packer should be held to a higher standard. Dealing with the press and public is only part of Guillen's job. Talking on television IS Packer's job. Even if, as one place has argued, he was using a dictionary definition of the word, if you're in broadcasting, you had better be smart enough to know that that is one of those words you just don't use. I don't care how you use it, if you do you're making yourself and your employer look like fools.

Oh, and most sports writers I know (granted none from the Chicago area) think only slightly more of Mariotti than Guillen does.
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I agree, I knew when I heard it that was a dictionary use of the word. However, it does not make it any less offensive. I do think however, that will be CBS' defense in the situation saying that BPacker was just using a word in it's original context.
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That's pretty much how I feel... It is an older definition of the word and Packer, a professional, should know that the current common definition is completely different and generally offensive.
 
houstontxbrave said:
I understand so many of us can not stand Nantz or Packer, personally Nantz is more of an issue for me the Packer but, why would CBS move either of those two off their broadcasts?

They both, especially Packer cause people to talk, when people talk dont they generally go in droves to or gravitate towards those who cause the discussion and with more eyes tuned to CBS doesnt that make the advertisers happy along with the NCAA and CBS.

Ratings, I would assume, are high and the appeal of CBS's coverage and the NCAA tourney are at a huge high really. CBS would be a little silly to rid itself of Packer.
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I guess you could argue that the controversial stuff that Packer says before the tournament (like his swipe at the Valley and the CAA last year) increase discussion and therefore possibly interest and viewership. However I don't think anyone, at least in recent years, has turned on an NCAA game to hear Billy Packer do the play-by-play.
 
I am NOT a Billy Packer fan, but I do believe he has done nothing wrong, just as Ozzie did nothing wrong but they fall into a politically correct snare that certain media types have invented to show themselves to be of a higher order of thinking.

It's kind of like what we were discussing last week in the "Rants" thread where one media guys rip into the "peons" for being of such
'simple and ignorant" thought processes as to be bigoted or biased. The media types seem to think that by pointing out the biases they see elsewhere, it then defines themselves as being the epitome of perfect thinking/unbiased.
 
tornado said:
I am NOT a Billy Packer fan, but I do believe he has done nothing wrong, just as Ozzie did nothing wrong but they fall into a politically correct snare that certain media types have invented to show themselves to be of a higher order of thinking.

It's kind of like what we were discussing last week in the "Rants" thread where one media guys rip into the "peons" for being of such
'simple and ignorant" thought processes as to be bigoted or biased. The media types seem to think that by pointing out the biases they see elsewhere, it then defines themselves as being the epitome of perfect thinking/unbiased.
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This goes beyond offensiveness versus political correctness, though. He was there because of the Final Four, as a way to promote the coverage. Therefore it was an extension of his job. You can argue that the standards shouldn't be there, but the fact is that they are, and using that word in that setting is going to reflect upon him and the network he works for. You can argue that what he said wasn't offensive (and personally I think he likely was using the old non-derogatory definition), but that doesn't change the fact that it was foolish and unprofessional.
 
One rabid squirrel said:
tornado said:
I am NOT a Billy Packer fan, but I do believe he has done nothing wrong, just as Ozzie did nothing wrong but they fall into a politically correct snare that certain media types have invented to show themselves to be of a higher order of thinking.

It's kind of like what we were discussing last week in the "Rants" thread where one media guys rip into the "peons" for being of such
'simple and ignorant" thought processes as to be bigoted or biased. The media types seem to think that by pointing out the biases they see elsewhere, it then defines themselves as being the epitome of perfect thinking/unbiased.
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This goes beyond offensiveness versus political correctness, though. He was there because of the Final Four, as a way to promote the coverage. Therefore it was an extension of his job. You can argue that the standards shouldn't be there, but the fact is that they are, and using that word in that setting is going to reflect upon him and the network he works for. You can argue that what he said wasn't offensive (and personally I think he likely was using the old non-derogatory definition), but that doesn't change the fact that it was foolish and unprofessional.
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Rush Limbaugh lost his job at ESPN because he said the media was desirous of a black quarterback to be successful. I think that falls in line with what Tornado said, but yet he was penalized with losing his job. I don't see Packer being any different.
 
Oh I agree, the losing of the job is the politically correct and expedient thing that happens, except in some cases.
Note that a certain "host" of the TV show called "The View" has repeatedly issued loud, obnoxious, and blatant insults, many of a very hateful, biased and bigoted nature, and yet she still retains her job, as have certain ethnic "Reverends" who spew hate towards people of other races, but seem to never get discredited or leave the airways.

You see, part of this whole picture is that the only people capable of violating the perceived rules of political correctness are the middle Amercan-type, white males.
 
tornado said:
I am NOT a Billy Packer fan, but I do believe he has done nothing wrong, just as Ozzie did nothing wrong but they fall into a politically correct snare that certain media types have invented to show themselves to be of a higher order of thinking.

It's kind of like what we were discussing last week in the "Rants" thread where one media guys rip into the "peons" for being of such
'simple and ignorant" thought processes as to be bigoted or biased. The media types seem to think that by pointing out the biases they see elsewhere, it then defines themselves as being the epitome of perfect thinking/unbiased.
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Normally I agree with your points T but I can't here. There is a difference between being non-PC and offensive. I have to admit I am one to err to the side of PC but that doesn't mean I believe you should have to be PC(if I did me and most on this board wouldn't get along, haha), and I by no means do it to pretend I am of a higher order of thinking, rather because I genuinely do not feel that I should nor would want to offend someone without intention. However when something like that word, as vile as it is comes out of a media persons mouth, it calls for serious consideration. There is world of difference between showing bias and being outright offensive. I completely disagree with you that Ozzie and Packer are in the right. What about decades ago when people called player 'spics' or n*****, It's the same scenario. I can assure you Ozzie would be offended if I called him a 'spic'I really think think your taking your criticism of the media too far here tornado, they SHOULD make a big deal of these cases, because that is what they are.
 
but nobody called anyone anything.
Did you hear the clip on Youtube? All Billy did was use a word as a VERB in the context of "chicken out on me", he said "f-- out on me"

he did not call anyone a name and may have a different concept of what the word means.
It reminds me of all the uproar recently when a politician used the word "niggardly" (which of course has nothing whatsoever to do with race and is of swedish origin meaning frugal) and many demanded the guy resign thinking it was a racist word.
 
tornado said:
but nobody called anyone anything.
Did you hear the clip on Youtube? All Billy did was use a word as a VERB in the context of "chicken out on me", he said "f-- out on me"

he did not call anyone a name and may have a different concept of what the word means.
It reminds me of all the uproar recently when a politician used the word "niggardly" (which of course has nothing whatsoever to do with race and is of swedish origin meaning frugal) and many demanded the guy resign thinking it was a racist word.
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Packer had used the term as a transitive verb - here's the dictionary defninition.

fag1 (f?„?’g)
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[From fag, to droop (obsolete), perhaps from Middle English fagge; see fag end.]

transitive verb

To exhaust; weary: Four hours on the tennis court fagged me out.
 
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