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Bias by NCAA?

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Per ESPN article

Kelvin Sampson:
Infraction: 577 impermissible phone calls
Penalty: Accepted OU's self imposed penalties PLUS one year probation, cannot make phone calls or recruit off campus, but can go on as usual otherwise, nothing prohibits him from continuing as head coach.

Ray Lopes (prior Sampson assistant at Oklahoma State who continued the illegal phone calls at Fresno State):
Infraction: 457 impermissible phone calls
Penalty: Accepted Fresno State's self imposed penalties PLUS Three-year show-cause penalty, termination of employment from Fresno State, and cannot work anywhere for any NCAA institution in any capacity without permission from NCAA.
Basically a complete CAREER KILLER.

Major, major inequity in the way that Lopes (working for a midmajor school, Fresno State) and Sampson (working for Indiana) were penalized. You decide.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2463392
 
BuBraves55 said:
pathetic, even more reason to hate the big schools
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Seem like a reason to hate the NCAA not the big schools... I guess you could say that the NCAA is run mostly by people with ties to larger programs. Any inequity makes it even sweeter when BU makes the Sweet Sixteen and George Mason makes the Final Four though.
 
The logic is in the article. It makes sense if you read the WHOLE thing.

"When it's one in each category, it looks like a different deal, but with Kelvin employed, there are activities that can be directly impacted right now," Yeager said. "If Ray were to get a job, then he might face similar sanctions, but the difference is that once [the three years is up], then he's done."

If Lopes were hired during his three-year show-cause, the employing institution would have to go in front of an infractions committee to discuss what sanctions should or could be placed on him. Lopes has been actively trying to get a job. He made an attempt to join Pittsburgh's staff, but to no avail.

"To sit and say that he got three years and the head coach got one year is apples and oranges," Yeager said. "If Kelvin were out of work, it could have been the same, and if Ray was at some place he might have gotten what Kelvin did. That's where the distinction lies. It's all based on whether or not you're currently employed at an NCAA institution

"The big difference is that Ray Lopes is working as an NBA scout right now. If Ray is in the NBA for another two years [as a year of the penalty has already elapsed], then he comes back in with no impact on his employment. But with a current employee like Kelvin, there is a direct restriction on his activity for a period of time right now.

"If all you're looking at is three years versus one year, [then] yes, it looks like Ray Lopes got a much worse deal, but he's beyond the reach of the NCAA."
 
Spin?

You don't believe in reasoning?

Come on.

Of course the first part of this article is spin too. The part about how it is so unfair.

Sampson may have gotten off early. That wasn't the main point I interpreted that you wanted to make. It seemed you were more concerned on how the punishment was doled out in what you you perceived a fair manner. They gave their reason on that.
 
All I suggest, and you can believe as you wish, is that....

If the NCAA would like to do just ONE LITTLE THING to dispel the notion that there is a BIAS, and that the smaller (midmajor) schools routinely get hammered harder than the big guys, then this case is a perfect example of a missed opportunity.

All the NCAA needed to do was to pronounce that Sampson's violations were as severe as Lopes, and then pronounce the same penalty on both guys.

But Lopes won't work at any NCAA institution for at least 3 years, and possibly never.
Sampson gets NO penalty personally, but cannot go off campus to recruit for a year, but keeps his job.
 
tornado said:
All I suggest, and you can believe as you wish, is that....

If the NCAA would like to do just ONE LITTLE THING to dispel the notion that there is a BIAS, and that the smaller (midmajor) schools routinely get hammered harder than the big guys, then this case is a perfect example of a missed opportunity.
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Perceived bias.

The bias is only in the minds of the small thinkers.
 
tknup said:
tornado said:
All I suggest, and you can believe as you wish, is that....

If the NCAA would like to do just ONE LITTLE THING to dispel the notion that there is a BIAS, and that the smaller (midmajor) schools routinely get hammered harder than the big guys, then this case is a perfect example of a missed opportunity.
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Perceived bias.

The bias is only in the minds of the small thinkers.
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Hmmm... nice little slam there .

I have heard a great thinker once talk about reality and then there are those living in the perception of reality.

You point the finger at T for his 'perceived bias' when I think it is you that lives in your perception of reality.

I would say to you and other BCS fans that your/their 'perception of reality' is that there are some coaches, schools and programs that don't ever cheat. Everyone else does.

Wake up. And grow up.
 
If bias is only in the perception, then why are there constant new laws (even by NCAA) to outlaw bias? you're going to try to outlaw what people percieve? Good luck.
We even have bias (hate) crimes, that penalize certain people more because we think we know what they were thinking when the committed their crime.
 
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