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BCS RECRUITING TECHNIQUE?

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Looking Up

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It is all clear to me now! If you want a McDonald or
Parade All American, you just give dad a job.

http://kuathletics.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/chalmers_mario00.html

Per Mario Chalmers Profile:
Off The Court
Full name is Almario Vernard Chalmers... Born May 19, 1986 in Anchorage, Alaska... Undecided major... Parents are Ronnie and Almarie Chalmers. Ronnie was named KU Director of Basketball Operations in summer 2005.. Full name is Almario Vernard Chalmers... Cousin Lionel Chalmers led Xavier in scoring in 2003-04 with a 16.6 ppg... Cousin Chris Smith played in the NBA for the Minnesota Timberwolves from 1992-95.
 
Re: BCS RECRUITING TECHNIQUE?

Looking Up said:
It is all clear to me now! If you want a McDonald or
Parade All American, you just give dad a job.

http://kuathletics.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/chalmers_mario00.html

Per Mario Chalmers Profile:
Off The Court
Full name is Almario Vernard Chalmers... Born May 19, 1986 in Anchorage, Alaska... Undecided major... Parents are Ronnie and Almarie Chalmers. Ronnie was named KU Director of Basketball Operations in summer 2005.. Full name is Almario Vernard Chalmers... Cousin Lionel Chalmers led Xavier in scoring in 2003-04 with a 16.6 ppg... Cousin Chris Smith played in the NBA for the Minnesota Timberwolves from 1992-95.
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That is how they got Danny Manning. His father became a coach at KU while Danny was there. He was a coach on the HS level. I wonder what happened to him after DM left KU?
 
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/aug/21/meet_chalmers/?sports

Sounds a little fishy to me. Why does the NCAA allow this, yet get all bent out of shape when a clerical error results in an overpayment of a few dollars (that was returned) during a summer job?

Does anyone think that Mr. Chalmers was actually qualified for the job at Kansas? Or that his application wouldn't have been laughed at if he didn't have a son who was a McDonald's All American? Or that if his son leaves Kansas, that his job will disappear as fast as it appeared?
 
For what Chalmers does for KU, he's well qualified

It would be dumb to think he would have gotten the job had his son not come here perhaps, but at least he's qualified for the position


And this is a lot different than the mentioned Duke situation
 
Evolvehawk said:
For what Chalmers does for KU, he's well qualified

It would be dumb to think he would have gotten the job had his son not come here perhaps, but at least he's qualified for the position


And this is a lot different than the mentioned Duke situation
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It still smells. This is just a loop-hole and I wonder how many other schools are doing this. I'm not cutting KU for taking advantage of this. It's nice that tax payers $$$ are used to employ people for their state basketball team. Duke is a private institution so those $$$ come from their own coffers. I bet as soon as a non-BCS school goes this route and signs a Mc Donalds All American the NCAA will look into it :-o
 
The Duke stuff with Duhon's mom was employment by a booster of the university, for a position she had no qualifications for or any experience relative to whatsoever

http://www.truthaboutduke.com/duhon_nola.php


there's a run down of it

Contrast that to Self giving Chalmers a job for which he was well qualified for, and everything was done completely above the board. Hard to hide it whent he job's with the Basketball team.

Here's a clip from Chalmer's bio

onnie Chalmers is the newest member of the Kansas men's basketball staff joining KU as the director of basketball operations in June 2005. In this Chalmers will oversee the academic progress of the Jayhawks, work closely with the off-season strength and conditioning program, assist with on-campus recruiting and assist with the day-to-day office operations.

Chalmers comes to KU from Bartlett High School in Anchorage, Alaska, where he was the boys' head basketball coach for the past five seasons. Father of Kansas freshman Mario Chalmers, Ronnie Chalmers registered a 109-28 record and two state championships while at Bartlett. His teams won state titles in 2002 and 2003 and were runner-up in 2004. Prior to Bartlett, Chalmers spent more than 22 years in the U.S. Air Force and brings more than 20 years of basketball coaching experience to KU.

Chalmers earned his bachelor's degree in business administration from Wayland Baptist University and his master's degree in human resource management and development from the University of La Verne (Calif.). His basketball coaching dates back to 1985, including assistant and head coaching stints with Air Force squads as well as high school and summer league teams.
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He has extensive experience with basketball coaching, won multiple state titles, and has a big millitary background.

Sounds about what you would want from someone in his position of making sure the kids are doing their school work, are working out, and help with recruiting. He has a good background in basketball and the millitary (= discipline) which is what you would want from the position I would think.

Can you look at him and really say he isn't qualified to do what he does?
 
It has nothing to do with qualifying for the job. There had to be somone in KS who would have qulified for that job and want it. So they hire someone from AK to do the job. Also it would be nice to know how much he is getting paid. It still smells but as I said it is a loop hole of which KS takes advantage of.

If what you wrote about Duke is true that is exactly what we did 20 years ago and got slapped pretty hard from the NCAA. :oops:
 
I was just posting the obvious difference

an official job in the athletic department who the person's perfectly qualified for...vs some shady booster giving a job to a person at way above normal salary, etc etc

BTW, I assume Chalmer's compensation is public knowledge somehow in Kansas, merely because he's a state employee

quote from a article about it

I know this is going to upset some people and will of course bring about the inevitable ???‚¬?“KU bought a player???‚¬?? recriminations, but the bottom line is that the Chalmers family was going to move to Lawrence anyway, and he???‚¬?„?s qualified for the job. When the Chalmers thought they???‚¬?„?d be moving to North Carolina, they purchased a home in Charlotte which is still on the market.

For this scenario to play out as the conspiracists among you would have you believe, KU would have had to furtively helped Ronnie Chalmers buy a home in Charlotte before Mario ever visited KU, then kept the home on the market by hiring incompetent realtors, all after they arranged to keep a job open for 18 months specifically for him, only to get Mario???‚¬?„?s commitment and then, 11 months later, offer the job to Ronnie publicly.

I???‚¬?„?m gonna have to pull out Occam???‚¬?„?s razor here today. The simplest explanation - that it was a good fit - is the best.
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The NCAA has attempted to close these cheating loopholes, but sometimes it is impossible.

How can they police who gets hired at the university?
There are numerous cases of recruits choosing a school, then a family member becomeing an employee of that same school
(Manning, Chalmers, Duhon, but also Wayne McClain, etc.)

Another way they cheat is to find ingenious ways to funnel money to the AAU coaches by either hiring them & their family members (as in Mizzou hiring Lance Irvin) or by arranging preseason exhibitions and pay them big bucks for it (this one has been outlawed.)
But here are some other ingenious ways, some of which were told to me by people in the business.
--schools can contract with Nike, Reebok, etc to buy their uniforms, shoes, apparel, etc. and guess who the shoe companies have ties to?? Of course, the youngsters at the AAU camps and the AAU coaches. In fact, most of the show Co.'s put on thier own big time camps and the AAU coaches have been seen walking around at such camps with loads of cash (and so have the high schoolers)
--The parents of top recruits do seem to have an odd way of ending up driving nice cars and getting nice jobs.
So do all the AAU coaches who seem to have an ability to steer the kids one way or another.
--schools pay $$ for certain recruiting service reports and that $$ heads to the very people (AAU coaches and recruits) that it's not supposed to go to.

Here are a couple stories about how chummy the major college coaches like Bill Self & Mike Krzyzewski are with the top AAU coaches, and how much $$ does seem to find its way from one party to another....

Here's an article about how the Illini did it...see 10-11th paragraph...
http://illinois.scout.com/2/489757.html

And here is how supposedly top D-I head coach Jim Calhoun skirts the legal guidelines
http://www.redmen.com/article352.html

http://www.powerbasketball.com/060104.html
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/sports/prepbasketball2005/jtabaau.htm
 
tornado said:
Another way they cheat is to find ingenious ways to funnel money to the AAU coaches by either hiring them & their family
members (as in Mizzou hiring Lance Irvin) or by arranging preseason exhibitions and pay them big bucks for it (this one
has been outlawed.....
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I brought up this old topic because there is a deja vu in the news again today, as Lance Irvin is again hired as an assistant
by yet another head coach at yet another school.

Obviously a good way to always assure that you'll have a job no matter how many times you're fired is to be sure you are
linked with the AAU scene in Chicago.

Lance Irvin is now hired at SMU, his bio is below and includes stays at 8 different schools in the past 14 years, and FIFTH in
the past four years.
At every school he's been at, he's been let go after either a horrid season, or was let go when whoever was head coach
was fired. But his ties to the Chicago AAU circuit still make him an attractive guy to have on staff.

One question I have is if he's such a good guy to have on staff, then why does every team he's associated with can him and the head coach within a couple years?

91-92 Idaho (left when head coach Larry Eustachy moved on and the rest of the staff was let go as new coach Joe Cravens
was hired)

92-97- DePaul (left after a horrific 3-23 season and entire coaching staff (Joey Meyer) were fired)

98-01- Loyola (was let go after a horrid 7-21 season prompted a shakeup)

01-02 Iowa State (left when Larry Eustachy was fired & Wayne Morgan hired)

02-03 Illinois State (left when entire coaching staff was fired and Porter Moser hired)

03-04- Texas A&M (left when Head Coach Melvin Watkins was fired & Billy Gillespie hired)

05-06- Mizzou (left when Quin Snyder was booted and entire coaching staff was all fired)

http://www.chicagohoops.com/articles1/irvinsmu.html
 
tornado said:
Just to resurrect this topic of giving out jobs to parents and families of the kids you are recruiting, I found and am reposting a great article that was originally posted by Mike Radigan.

It shows that all the top coaches do this, so you can bet the NCAA won't bother to ever look into it.
http://www.bradleyfans.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=5451#5451
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Here's even more on how the big schools funnel BIG money right to the AAU coaches and the recruits' high school coaches.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/misc/weekend/stories/092406dnspocamps.2dd0a3e.html
 
Re: BCS RECRUITING TECHNIQUE?

Looking Up said:
It is all clear to me now! If you want a McDonald or
Parade All American, you just give dad a job.

http://kuathletics.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/chalmers_mario00.html

Per Mario Chalmers Profile:
Off The Court
Full name is Almario Vernard Chalmers... Born May 19, 1986 in Anchorage, Alaska... Undecided major... Parents are Ronnie and Almarie Chalmers. Ronnie was named KU Director of Basketball Operations in summer 2005.. Full name is Almario Vernard Chalmers... Cousin Lionel Chalmers led Xavier in scoring in 2003-04 with a 16.6 ppg... Cousin Chris Smith played in the NBA for the Minnesota Timberwolves from 1992-95.
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Here is a story about this technique of hiring the recruit's dad or coach....
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news;...ug=cnnsi-walkingafinelin&prov=cnnsi&type=lgns
 
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