Attendance Myth?

[srw]

I know -- that's what Da Coach is saying -- we had NO BETTER shooting guard than Duane Broussard -- that was it....
pretty lean years where we were still routinely scoreless after the first TV timeout...and we often finished the game with as little as 37, 40, and 45 points.....

Yes we did.

Charles White, who actually was the shooting guard.

I believe Roger Suchy came in that first Mo class, along with Patrick McCallop and Rick Harris.

This isnt really meant to be a grudge match. But we might as well have accurate data.

 

[srw]

I wondered the same things.

BU proved it could be successful with an unconventional hire. I find it amazing that some of the biggest 'fans' think we're doomed to utter failure with a conventional hire.

I think BU is a great place with a ton to offer, and will attract some great candidates should the position ever become available again.

Nice Post BBrave

 

[canadian]

Im personally not a huge fan of looking back. As SRW said, it shouldn't be a grudge match.

Tornado and Da Coach think Bradley is better off with Jim Les as the head coach for the future, others think a change would benefit Bradley. Nothing wrong with differing opinions.

I am more interested in looking forward than looking back. Im sure in the next couple weeks we will know if a change will be made. If it isn't, let's move forward and win. If it is, let's get on board, move forward, and win.

 

[Da Coach]

I wondered the same things.

BU proved it could be successful with an unconventional hire. I find it amazing that some of the biggest 'fans' think we're doomed to utter failure with a conventional hire.

I think BU is a great place with a ton to offer, and will attract some great candidates should the position ever become available again.

Now don't start doing the exaggeration thing. Nobody here has ever stated anything remotely similar to "we're doomed to utter failure with a conventional hire". What I believe and what others have opined is that we would probably take a bigger step backward with a new hire, because of players and recruits leaving, than with staying the current course. Some may not believe this, but it is often the case.

 

[BradleyBrave]

Now don't start doing the exaggeration thing. Nobody here has ever stated anything remotely similar to "we're doomed to utter failure with a conventional hire". What I believe and what others have opined is that we would probably take a bigger step backward with a new hire, because of players and recruits leaving, than with staying the current course. Some may not believe this, but it is often the case.

Exaggeration? You're the poster who said we had 5 straight years of 'excruciating' basketball at the beginning of the Molinari era, when in fact it was only 2.

Molinari has several of the worst and most excruciating years in Bradley history after he came, and took 5 years to get Bradley back to the postseason.

Hello pot, meet kettle.

 

[squirrelgotdead]

And that that was the kind of "complete rebuilding mode" we were destined for.

Well, I don't know where else we have to go, myself.

 

[Da Coach]

Exaggeration? You're the poster who said we had 5 straight years of 'excruciating' basketball at the beginning of the Molinari era, when in fact it was only 2.



Hello pot, meet kettle.

Now you are lying about what I said.

My exact quote was-
"I can say that 1991-92 and 1992-93 were indeed the 2 most excruciating seasons."

I never said there were 5 bad years, or 5 excruciating years. I said I recalled 2 excruciating years, which you cannot deny.

And, then you take something I said that was true , and somehow distort and exaggerate that into claiming I (or somebody) said-

"we're doomed to utter failure with a conventional hire". (your quotation)

Don't cop out here. Show us where anyone ever said anything close to that, and who said it? If not, than admit you exaggerated a little.

 

[canadian]

Now don't start doing the exaggeration thing. Nobody here has ever stated anything remotely similar to "we're doomed to utter failure with a conventional hire". What I believe and what others have opined is that we would probably take a bigger step backward with a new hire, because of players and recruits leaving, than with staying the current course. Some may not believe this, but it is often the case.

I understand Da Coach. I've said it as well--sometimes you do take a couple years to get going when you switch coaches. I understand this and am OK with it.

I'm not worried about losing players or recruits...especially recruits. Theres only really one player I think could leave that would bother me. The rest, they can leave and it won't affect the quality of the team.

I don't think the guys on the team would automatically leave if Les were let go. I'm assuming they would meet the new coach and see how the fit works. I don't really know where these guys would go that would be worth sitting out a year.

 

[tornado]

..we might as well have accurate data.

how 'bout trying for relevant data.....

Suchy was a freshman in 1991-92 in a 7 ppg career......I would hardly count him as a better option at shooting guard than who we have already mentioned.

McCallop scored 10 whole points in his entire D-I career - so he's on par with Ned Goertzen, and Dr. Harris didn't come along until 1992, but also had a career that if you add his career scoring to McCallop's, you still get less than Broussard's...

so I stand Da Coach's assessment that we basically had NO SG option better than Broussard

 

[BradleyBrave]

Now you are lying about what I said.

My exact quote was-
"I can say that 1991-92 and 1992-93 were indeed the 2 most excruciating seasons."

I never said there were 5 bad years, or 5 excruciating years. I said I recalled 2 excruciating years, which you cannot deny.

And, then you take something I said that was true , and somehow distort and exaggerate that into claiming I (or somebody) said-

"we're doomed to utter failure with a conventional hire". (your quotation)

Don't cop out here. Show us where anyone ever said anything close to that, and who said it? If not, than admit you exaggerated a little.

We are doing this semantics thing again? And calling me a liar? Wow.

You exaggerated and said it took Molinari 5 years to get us back to postseason, did you not? It was 2, we went to the NIT in Year 3. I put your quote right there! You say 'several' (which by definition is more than 2 or 3 - http://www.thefreedictionary.com/several) and the number '5' in the same sentence.

Molinari has several of the worst and most excruciating years in Bradley history after he came, and took 5 years to get Bradley back to the postseason.

Who is stretching the truth there for the sake of their own argument?

And in PM to me about something else a while back, you said this (which you have posted on this board as well, so I am not sharing anything privileged or not for public consumption) -

I am hearing that most of the current players will leave, including ones you would not think would. And it is certain that the recruits will request releases. So regardless of who is hired, there will be a long rebuilding process.

In another thread, on 02-19-2011, 08:58 PM, you say this -

It is what almost always happens when there is a coaching change. The result is several years of rebuilding. Feel free not to believe any of this if you don't want to.

http://www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17820&highlight=years+rebuilding

So what are we supposed draw from those statements? I deduced from those statements, as well as several others that you've made on the subject, that in your opinion we are doomed to failure with a conventional hire rather than sticking with our current status quo. If I misinterpreted your recurring message, I apologize.

 

[AZ BU Fan]

Interesting article, and worth reading. That writer, Steve Pivovar of the Omaha World-Herald, also said this in that same article that reported how far the MVC has fallen --

"...the Braves were considered a dark horse in the championship race in the preseason."

Funny that an out-of-town writer seems to have a lot more insight regarding Bradley than some of our own fans do.

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Funny that some uphold media opinion when it suits their arguments, then ridicules them when they don't...Remember how the media were lambasted early on with picking BU 5th in the preseason MVC poll? Top 3 with SM and TB!!!!!

A "dark horse" to win the MVC when picked 5th out of 10 teams in the MVC preseason with 3 of the top MVC scorers back? Don't think so. Unless the media voters knew BU would lose SM and TB for the year before the season started. I don't recall seeing any media reports BU was considered a pre season dark horse; will stand corrected if anyone can produce any evidence of this....

The better question to ask the media is if they thought BU would finish last, with 3 MVC wins, without SM and TB this year.

Funny I don't remember JL indicating before the season started BU, and apparently all other teams in the Valley, don't have the depth in talent they did before and that BU would have no chance without SM/TB.

 

[Da Coach]

BB, you are free to deduce whatever you want. But it isn't hard to know what I said when I stated it this clearly-

"I can say that 1991-92 and 1992-93 were indeed the 2 most excruciating seasons."

Now it's you, not me, who is going into semantic by quoting dictionaries, and trying to distort what was said. But I defined as clearly as possible that it was 2 years. Sorry if "2 seasons" isn't clear enough for you.

You accused me of saying (and this is your direct quote)-
You're the poster who said we had 5 straight years of 'excruciating' basketball at the beginning of the Molinari era

When in fact you are wrong. I never said that, and as noted above, I stated 2 seasons.

But the real issue I would like to see stop is that you, like many of the "fire the coach" people keep resorting to the tired old debating technique of exaggerating and distorting what others say, so maybe you think it makes them look foolish.
But it doesn't work here. People are free to decide for themselves.

You claimed that I (or somebody) said:
"we're doomed to utter failure with a conventional hire".

Nobody has even come close to saying this. If you can show where anyone said anything like this, post it, or admit you were wrong.
I am tired of posters saying absurd stuff like this to make it look like anyone who doesn't agree with them is extreme.


Note-
This thread, like so many others, has been hijacked by some of the most ardent "fire the coach" people, and is now so far off topic that I find myself apologizing to the fans who keep opening the thread thinking there is something of actual interest to read. So we will begin a policy of locking and deleting any more threads that veer into the same repetitive direction.