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Another possible round of conference changes

I disagree about Doug Elgin. It happened on his watch. I'm sure he is getting paid a decent salary to run the MVC. We are quickly heading in the direction of the Summit League. In fact the MVC is rumored to be considering one of their schools to join our league. I'm not familiar with all of the by-laws and such of the league. There has to be some incentives the league can undertake to improve the quality of the conference. It is time for "outside of the box" thinking and leadership.


Just a few years ago, The Colonial Athletic Association was one of the top midmajor conferences, essentially equal to the MVC. They had strong basketball schools like VCU, George Mason, Old Dominion who all left to move to better, more lucrative conferences. As a result, the CAA has fallen from their top midmajor spot, to a much lower level, similar to where the MVC is at now. They are now a mediocre, 1-bid conference.
So is the CAA's comissioner derelict, too?

The Mountain West is experiencing the same phenomenon. Thay have lost strong programs like BYU, TCU, Utah to other conferences, and this past year they fell to the 10th best conference in RPI, their worst in decades. They were also a 1-bid conference this past season. So is the MWC commissioner at fault?

And what about Conference USA? They used to be a perrennial top 10 RPI basketball conference, but they have lost several good programs (Houston, Memphis, Tulsa, SMU, and others), and they have become a joke. This past year they fell all the way to an abysmal 23rd ranking in conference RPI, and also were a 1-bid conference! Should they fire their commissioner?

And there are other examples of conferences getting weaker and weaker that I could continue to list. The only non-Power 6 conferences to get more than 1 bid this year were the Atlantic 10 (3), the American Athletic Association (2), and the WAC (2). Meanwhile, the ACC got 9 bids, the Big Ten and Big East 7 each, the Big 12 6, the SEC 5, and the Pac-12 4 bids. That means the Power 6 conferences got 32 of the 36 available at-large bids, and every one of the other 26 conference got a total of 4 at-large bids among them!
23 conferences other than the AAC, A10, and WCC were lousy 1-bid conferences. Should their commissioners all be held accountable for that?
The problem is not confined to just the MVC, and I don't see what the MVC commissioner could have done to prevent the fall. If anything, I think the MVC has done a pretty good job maintaining themselves as a respectable mid-major conference, despite other conferences cherry-picking their best teams.

If I could find any fault, it was taking Loyola in 2013 to replace Creighton. I was in favor of selecting the very best team from the Horizon or another comparable conference. But Loyola was nowhere near the best program in the Horizon League. Let's hope they don't make that mistake again, and go after the best program(s). But that was not Doug Elgin's decision. The decision was made by a vote of the university presidents who thought adding the Chicago market was more important.

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The Mountain West and Conference USA are still better conferences from top to bottom, in my opinion than the MVC. I really don't care about the commissioners of the other conferences. If you are happy with Doug Elgin that's fine. Maybe if the other conferences get bad enough we will pass them. Part of the problem is there always seems to be an excuse and somebody else's fault as to why the MVC continues to drop in prestige. It's time take a good hard look in the mirror and do something about it or have a pity party and blame the successful programs of other schools as the culprit. The NCAA and big schools aren't out to screw the mid majors. We've screwed ourselves by standing pat, hanging our hats on the past instead of the future. I'm obviously not as enamored with Doug Elgin as you are. My question would be, what has he done that has had positive results in the growth and prospering of the MVC in the last ten years? That is where being proactive and addressing the anticipated challenges enters in. I guess I'm just not willing to be satisfied with the status quo of the MVC. I'd be curious to know what schools if any have contacted the MVC requesting to join since the exiting of Wichita. And if schools have contacted the league, would the provide "value added" to the conference. That would say a lot as to what other schools think if the MVC.
 
I think Elgin has done a decent job, and I just don't see how he is at fault when it's the quality of the individual schools that has dropped causing the MVC to decline. I like to hear others' opinions, but it would be more informative if people who rip Elgin would suggest what he should have done differently, other than the phrase "they need to be more proactive". What better school could the MVC have added other than the ones being considered?
 
If I knew the answer I would be commissioner. I don't have the background to solve the problems and i don't pretend to. There are people that get paid a pretty good salary to know those answers and I think we need to find that person.
 
I see your point and maybe the school presidents will consider a change. But that was the same thinking some people used back in 2011 to encourage a coaching change when we had one losing season after 5 winning seasons. The administration assured us they would do better and be winning championships if they made a change. But instead, they damaged the program irreparably, set things back many years, and we've seem 6 miserable seasons since then.
I said this 6 years ago- Change for the sake of change does not always lead to success.
 
Just because the Board of Trustees screwed up at Bradley doesn't mean the Presidents at MVC member schools would screw up with hiring a new league commissioner. Standing pat is more of the same. A half empty arena in St. Louis next March for the championship game on CBS, without Wichita will be an embarrassment to the league.
 
And so again, what would fix that? I think adding one or two of the schools that are being considered is the best option. St. Louis University had no interest in joining the MVC, and there is not a single other school that would bring in a significant number of fans to the MVCT in St. Louis. Are there any schools the MVC could get that even draw more at home than Murray State or Valpo?
 
Just because the Board of Trustees screwed up at Bradley ......

this is why some here have argued that the Board or at the very least - the Athletic Dept. should have a fan board or a few of the long time fans as part of an advisory group...

it would have helped them prevent many of the HORRIBLE fiascos....

Instead - Joanne Glasser chose to listen to reporters that are not Bradley fans and a few whiney people who have never given a dime to Bradley
 
Elgin didn't fire a coach after a 32-3 season. Nor did be fire a coach who's overall record wasn't that great, but he was a fan favorite and had 8000-9000 butts in the seats.
 
And so again, what would fix that? I think adding one or two of the schools that are being considered is the best option. St. Louis University had no interest in joining the MVC, and there is not a single other school that would bring in a significant number of fans to the MVCT in St. Louis. Are there any schools the MVC could get that even draw more at home than Murray State or Valpo?

You have to build the conference from the existing members. If the foundation of a house is weak, putting new siding on it won't help.
 
Control What We Can

Control What We Can

It seems to me the only thing we can control is how good our team is. If we win 25- 30 games consistently and play a tougher non conference schedule, we can leave on our terms. Other leagues would welcome us. Right?
 
this is why some here have argued that the Board or at the very least - the Athletic Dept. should have a fan board or a few of the long time fans as part of an advisory group...

it would have helped them prevent many of the HORRIBLE fiascos....

Instead - Joanne Glasser chose to listen to reporters that are not Bradley fans and a few whiney people who have never given a dime to Bradley

Dick Versace once said, "I won't tell you how to sell insurance if you don't tell me how to coach".
 
Here is an interesting conference change that does not involve any teams joining or leaving. The Ohio Valley Conference has had 12 members for basketball since Belmont joined in 2012. And since then, they have been split into two 6 team divisions, the East and West-
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ings/_/id/20/year/2017/ohio-valley-conference

However, for 2017-18 they plan to eliminate the East-West divisional setup, and go to a single 12 team conference. They also plan to change from a 16 team conference schedule, which the OVC has used since 2011, and expand to an 18 game conference schedule.-
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/story/35593640/ovc-moving-to-18-conference-games-in-2017-18

The purpose of the change appears to be to reduce the number of non-conference games each team will have to try to schedule, and to provide each school with an additional D1 home game.
 
Here is an interesting conference change that does not involve any teams joining or leaving. The Ohio Valley Conference has had 12 members for basketball since Belmont joined in 2012. And since then, they have been split into two 6 team divisions, the East and West-
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ings/_/id/20/year/2017/ohio-valley-conference

However, for 2017-18 they plan to eliminate the East-West divisional setup, and go to a single 12 team conference. They also plan to change from a 16 team conference schedule, which the OVC has used since 2011, and expand to an 18 game conference schedule.-
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/story/35593640/ovc-moving-to-18-conference-games-in-2017-18

The purpose of the change appears to be to reduce the number of non-conference games each team will have to try to schedule, and to provide each school with an additional D1 home game.

Wont this count down on opportunities to improve their RPI's? If they are in a weak conference they play the same weak teams. To build it up they would have to go outside their conference to do this..
 
They are assuming that if they had to schedule 2 extra games, usually OVC teams end up playing very low RPI teams, non-D1 games, or playing buy games that guarantee getting beat. None of those options are really much better.
The old formula that the MVC exploited back in 2006 & 2007 to get multiple teams in the Top 50 RPI doesn't work any more, anyway. The NCAA, now dominated by the power conferences, have made sure of it by downplaying the RPI. So they are opting for extra conference games that at least guarantee an extra home game against a D1, draw higher attendance, and bring in better revenue.
 
They are assuming that if they had to schedule 2 extra games, usually OVC teams end up playing very low RPI teams, non-D1 games, or playing buy games that guarantee getting beat. None of those options are really much better.
The old formula that the MVC exploited back in 2006 & 2007 to get multiple teams in the Top 50 RPI doesn't work any more, anyway. The NCAA, now dominated by the power conferences, have made sure of it by downplaying the RPI. So they are opting for extra conference games that at least guarantee an extra home game against a D1, draw higher attendance, and bring in better revenue.

I see what you are saying but in essence they have given up trying to fight what is wrong in college sports today. I don't think I would have wanted them with me at the Alamo
 
Big West becoming one of the top midmajor conferences out west...?
Their RPI is currently better than the WCC (despite two ranked teams, Gonzaga & St. Mary's) and the Big Sky
 
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