ALL is well now...

[dogsrus]

...correct?


DId we right the ship...did we play with more intensity...did we hustle more....?

Or is /was this the ISU "way" ...play someone thats not very good at all.

I seriously don't know. Games like this don't tell me alot. I liked alot of what I saw but I expect that when you play a team that bad or at least thats not real good.

I do like what I saw from EM and DN...I think these guys really showed alot. No more Juco pg's IMO.

We played alot of guys...I do think if JL shortens the bench its a 20+ win but that doesn nobody any good. I think 9 or 10 guys got about 10 minutes each.

GO BU.........

 

[Braves4Life]

We played alot of guys...I do think if JL shortens the bench its a 20+ win but that doesn nobody any good. I think 9 or 10 guys got about 10 minutes each.

GO BU.........

I think it was clear we could have beaten these guys by 20+ if we really wanted to. Every time JL put "the winning combination" back on the floor we had a spurt back up to 15+ points. But I agree it mad more sense to get guys minutes. Just wish Thompson would have gotten more than Collins.

 

[Da Coach]

Any thoughts on the officials?

I thought that crew was very good. They did not try to overuse their whistles. What a pleasure it is to watch a game without so many foul calls. Today's officials didn't act like they felt they needed to be the show.

The only call I thought was bogus was the technical for hanging on the rim by Theron. He was fouled hard on the play, and I don't believe I have ever seen a technical foul called when a guy is fouled like that. And he didn't actually hang on the rim very long. The rule allows for the player to hang if he needs to avoid coming down awkwardly or injuring someone.

 

[romar]

Just wish Thompson would have gotten more than Collins.

Why? I believe Collins is a serviceable big man - not a star but can give 20 plus minutes (actually 15 today with 10 points & 5 blocks). He needs minutes too plus you only have him the rest of the year. AT lacks strength with the ball - he's going to be very good but needs another year with Ronnie Wright IMO & has 3 more years left, no need to rush him. I agree with the way JL is bringing him along. He even said in the post game that he likes what he sees from AT and he will be seeing more court time and be a big part of this BU team in the future.

Like it or not I think BU is going to have a center by committee this year with SS getting the most minutes, then Collins and then AT filling in based on fouls or situations.

 

[romar]

The only call I thought was bogus was the technical for hanging on the rim by Theron. He was fouled hard on the play, and I don't believe I have ever seen a technical foul called when a guy is fouled like that. And he didn't actually hang on the rim very long. The rule allows for the player to hang if he needs to avoid coming down awkwardly or injuring someone.

Officiating very good - the T very bad - thought they might have called taunting on TW until Herzog announced it as hanging on the rim. He did start to glare at the other player but then walked past him & bumped chests with SM. So even if that was what they were calling it was relatively weak.

 

[pfunk880]

Like it or not I think BU is going to have a center by committee this year with SS getting the most minutes, then Collins and then AT filling in based on fouls or situations.

And hopefully Singh isn't going to miss any time. Hopefully he just didn't play in the second half because the game was in hand.

I liked what I saw, but I agree that it's not a great barometer of where we are at. UWM will be a better test.

And the T was a horrendous call.

 

[real fan]

We looked good at the start but struggled to put a weak team away for good; it may have been because of all the substituions we made, one thing for sure is that are freshman are ready to play at this level .We also cannot let a player from the opposing team score 20 or more points (which is a major concern of mine) it has happened way too many times.

 

[jasonpeoria911]

I thought BU kind of went stale when Thompson was in the game. He does show aggression with the ball but rushes his shots at the same time. Probably has to do with his youth and this being his true first game of decent minutes.

As for Theron's Technical, if the NCAA wants to become like the NFL nicknamed "No Fun League", then the Technical was bonafide. Theron didn't really hang on the rim but he punched the bottom of the backboard with both of his palms. I've seen a T called a few times in other college games for the same actions. If he would of just came down and not hit the board, then I don't think it would of been called.

Jason

 

[Da Coach]

Theron didn't really hang on the rim but he punched the bottom of the backboard with both of his palms. I've seen a T called a few times in other college games for the same actions. If he would of just came down and not hit the board, then I don't think it would of been called.

Jason

I can believe it was for that instead of the "hanging on the rim" rule. Maybe the interpretation got confused in transmitting the ruling to the scorer's table. Although it's hard to believe that since the officials were at the scorer's table for a long time, and the PA guy is right there.

 

[houstontxbrave]

I guess I seen it differently. I thought we lacked a constant effort defensively, we did not rebound very well, we shot the 3 horribly and simply we did not play a full hard effort filled 40 minutes.

There were possessions we played well then the very next one we take a 3 pt shot on the first pass over half court.

Fine we won against a team that is likely the worst we have played and might play all season. I realize we used many different combinations but we lack a killer finish it off mentality.

I suppose that comes from playing a lot of underclassmen and combinations but overall I still am not thrilled with the way we shoot the basketball on open 3's.

 

[jasonpeoria911]

On a side note, what happened to that guy just before halftime near section 20? I saw everyone looking up that way and I turned around just in time to see them carrying him into the corridor. Then saw the medics wheeling the stretcher in a couple minutes later during halftime.

Jason

 

[Rusty 54]

No matter if today was us playing well or SEMO playing bad or a combination of both, walking out of Carver with a win feels so good.

I love McCains inensity

I'm glad that Les emptied the bench at the end, good to see Lavin, Phillips, and Ned get in, they might not have another chance (SIUE perhaps)

 

[Beninator]

DRU, hats off to you for starting an interesting thread. I posted on another thread that I did not like this starting lineup. I still dont like this starting five for the long haul. What I believe happened today was that Coach Les realized we were playing a terrible team and used this shake up as a motivational tool for the Braves. Message delivered. I hope Sam Singh is well. Singh is a tough guy and a broken nose wont slow him down. DC is DC and my opinion on him remains that we need to give more of his minutes to AT. Hats off to the freshmen... PT for Mccain et al today is valuable experience for the future.

 

[SFP]

I guess I seen it differently. I thought we lacked a constant effort defensively, we did not rebound very well, we shot the 3 horribly and simply we did not play a full hard effort filled 40 minutes.

There were possessions we played well then the very next one we take a 3 pt shot on the first pass over half court.

Fine we won against a team that is likely the worst we have played and might play all season. I realize we used many different combinations but we lack a killer finish it off mentality.

I suppose that comes from playing a lot of underclassmen and combinations but overall I still am not thrilled with the way we shoot the basketball on open 3's.

I'm in this camp. We should have put this game away a lot earlier and been up by at least 20 at 1/2. Our guys right now need to develop a killer instinct. It can be developed. We had them on the ropes and we then failed to do the things that got us that 20 point lead. Our jump shots were not going in again, now it's time to be concerned, so we needed to continue going to the rim hard and playing intense D. It seemed once we got decent lead the players would let up just a bit. Our intensity though overall good was up and down. A good team plays for 40 minutes, we played for 30 minutes. SEMO is just a bad team and when we play these types of teams it's time to put your foot on their throat and not let them even get another glimmer of hope. We could learn from the Michigan State game, when they took command they made sure we never had a chance to rally back. I'd like us to take a more business attitude with each possession.

I also would have liked to see AT in a bit more because the only way he'll get better is by playing. We were passing the ball more into the paint which was a huge plus. The Freshmen are playing beyond my expectations. TB has talent but gets a bit out of hand occasionally. TW played a very good game and we'll need more games like this from him in order to stay out of Thursday! We have a nice stretch of winnable games and I hope this team rises to the occasion and plays more consistent. With the current makeup of this team we should be able to play high caliber basketball for 40 minutes and if we do then we may suprise some people.

 

[SFP]

DRU, hats off to you for starting an interesting thread. I posted on another thread that I did not like this starting lineup. I still dont like this starting five for the long haul. What I believe happened today was that Coach Les realized we were playing a terrible team and used this shake up as a motivational tool for the Braves. Message delivered. I hope Sam Singh is well. Singh is a tough guy and a broken nose wont slow him down. DC is DC and my opinion on him remains that we need to give more of his minutes to AT. Hats off to the freshmen... PT for Mccain et al today is valuable experience for the future.

B I agree and I hope you are right that JL was sending a message.

 

[wily coyote]

Any thoughts on the officials?

I thought that crew was very good. They did not try to overuse their whistles. What a pleasure it is to watch a game without so many foul calls. Today's officials didn't act like they felt they needed to be the show.

The only call I thought was bogus was the technical for hanging on the rim by Theron. He was fouled hard on the play, and I don't believe I have ever seen a technical foul called when a guy is fouled like that. And he didn't actually hang on the rim very long. The rule allows for the player to hang if he needs to avoid coming down awkwardly or injuring someone.

DC, you have that almost right. The rule book does not use the word awkwardly. It says a player may hang onto the rim to avoid landing on a player beneath the rim and that is the only time a player may hang.

 

[BradleyBrave]

No, nothing is fine. That was the worst team we will play all season (although SIU-E may be right there with them). We should have beaten them by 30. I still don't know what we're doing on offense, and I don't know who should or should not be playing. I have an idea, but no definitive answer. Jim is really going to earn his paycheck this year if he can figure this mess out.

Oh...and we can't go a game without someone getting hurt. For the love of God!

 

[Da Coach]

DC, you have that almost right. The rule book does not use the word awkwardly. It says a player may hang onto the rim to avoid landing on a player beneath the rim and that is the only time a player may hang.

You are right that the word awkwardly does not appear in the rule, but it is considered by the refs. In fact, your words "avoid landing on a player underneath" don't appear in the rule, either.

Here is the NCAA rule with the exact wording--

Section 3. Hanging/Grasping on the Ring​

Players should not be permitted to hang on or grasp the basket ring in an
excessive, emphatic manner during dunks when there is no possibility of a
resulting injury occurring. The intent of the rule does not permit a player
to hold the ring and lift his or her body or legs, or in general, hang on or
grasp the ring for emphasis. This is especially true for a player who dunks​

the ball on a breakaway or when no defender is nearby. Injuries, sometimes
serious, can occur as a result of grasping/hanging on the ring. Game delays
also result when damaged equipment must be fixed or replaced. When there
is no obvious injury circumstance to be avoided by grasping/hanging on the
ring, doing so in an emphatic matter is a (Men) CLASS B and (Women)​

Player/Substitute technical foul.
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Art. 3. Technical Fouls.....​

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c. (MEN) CLASS A and CLASS B technical fouls. A CLASS A
technical foul involves unsportsmanlike conduct or behavior by a
player, substitute, coach or bench personnel. A CLASS B technical
foul is an infraction of the rules that neither involves contact with an
opponent nor causes contact with an opponent and falls below the
limit of an unsportsmanlike act. Examples of CLASS A and CLASS
B technical fouls shall include:
1. Unsportsmanlike conduct; using profanity, vulgarity, taunting,
baiting (CLASS A);
2. Requesting an excessive timeout (CLASS B); and
3. Hanging on the ring, except when doing so to prevent an injury
(CLASS B).​

So it's states very simply that the exception is when doing so to prevent injury. That includes injury to the player doing the hanging, or to anyone else.​

 

[Out of Bounce]

Any thoughts on the officials?

I thought that crew was very good. They did not try to overuse their whistles. What a pleasure it is to watch a game without so many foul calls. Today's officials didn't act like they felt they needed to be the show.

The only call I thought was bogus was the technical for hanging on the rim by Theron. He was fouled hard on the play, and I don't believe I have ever seen a technical foul called when a guy is fouled like that. And he didn't actually hang on the rim very long. The rule allows for the player to hang if he needs to avoid coming down awkwardly or injuring someone.

I am not sure I agree on the officials, maybe over all, BUT. As I thought the T on TW wasn't right as, he was in the act of shooting and was fouled. In that case a player is just protecting himself from the fall. You see that a lot and no T is called:!:
The biggest miss by the officials was the elbow by Williams which from my seat straight behind SS back, to me, was deliberate and should of been called as such. Before that play on two other processions in the same spot Williams tried to turn right and move to the hoop on the baseline and Sam had him pushed almost into the stands under the basket. The second time Williams was called for stepping on the line. The third time, in the same spot after receiving the pass he threw the right elbow high into Sam face before going baseline again. Should of been called and Williams GONE:!:

 

[Buesch N Chips]

On a side note, what happened to that guy just before halftime near section 20? I saw everyone looking up that way and I turned around just in time to see them carrying him into the corridor. Then saw the medics wheeling the stretcher in a couple minutes later during halftime.

Jason

They were doing CPR in the corridor.....