Indiana State last year would have had the best argument in recent years because their own rigged metric said they should be in.
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Indiana State last year would have had the best argument in recent years because their own rigged metric said they should be in.
Stryker
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Honestly I don't know why a class action lawsuit hasn't already been filed.
BravesWinINStyle
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There were 7 multibid leagues and 25 one-bid leagues. And of the 7 multibid leagues, the WCC/MWC are losing their top teams next summer, so it'll be down to 5-6 multibid leagues.
The A10, AAC, etc. are now one-bid leagues. This is now the 2nd time in 3 years the A10 is a one-bid league.
I don't even know what the solution is. If you're not in the P4, Big East, or new Pac-12, we're all helpless. The P4 control everything and constantly move the rules/metrics/goalposts until they lock every mid-major league in the country of an at-large bid.
This sport is a lost cause.
The A10, AAC, etc. are now one-bid leagues. This is now the 2nd time in 3 years the A10 is a one-bid league.
I don't even know what the solution is. If you're not in the P4, Big East, or new Pac-12, we're all helpless. The P4 control everything and constantly move the rules/metrics/goalposts until they lock every mid-major league in the country of an at-large bid.
This sport is a lost cause.
BravesWinINStyle
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Yes, if you take the top-15 mid-majors, the vast majority of them had way better RPIs than NETs. We still have no idea what goes into NET - a formula that magically inflates the P5 schools and hits the mid-majors - but no one even knows the components of it.
How does this not get more national attention?
The NET takes into account preseason ranking and opponents’ strength of schedule -both of which greatly favor the Power Conference teams who obviously get to play ranked teams on their home court all through the conference season.
Rutgers is not a good team, even losing to Kennesaw State, but they were ranked preseason and had 17 chances to play a Quad 1 (lost 13) so of course their NET IS BETTER than every MVC team except Drake.
I heard there is some new metric that simulates how bubble teams would do against other bubble teams, which supposedly helped UNC.
Dubl R 1
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Of course it did.. new metric that helps “bubble teams” implemented right when UNC needed it!… I mean this crap is comical.
Heres a metric.. win more games than u lose in your conference for 1, throw out “rankings” which are just opinions, no more than 6 teams from each conference.. don’t like it?… get better or join another conference
Yes, the NCAA NET formula was apparently felt they were allowing too many mid-majors into the tournament, so they tweaked it for this year by adding 2 more metrics- Torvik and WAB (Wins Above Bubble) - to favor the bottom feeders in the power conferences - https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2024...mmittee-torvik-wins-above-bubble-wab-criteria
Here is another explanation from the NCAA on Wins Above Bubble - https://www.ncaa.org/news/2025/3/5/breaking-down-the-ncaa-division-i-mens-and-womens-basketball-committees-selection-criteria.aspx#:~:text=Wins%20Against%20Bubble,vers us%20your%20schedule
It seems they think that if they add enough redundant metrics into their mix, they will be more likely to find one of them that gives them an excuse to leave any team out that they want.
Stryker
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This is true. I'd be interesting to see an analysis on the actual at large bids. A big change has been a lot of programs moving into Power conferences over the past 5-10 years. So while more mid-majors have been losing auto-bids, is it really just because the good teams in those mid-major conferences have moved to power conferences? Think Butler, Creighton, etc.
What I would like to see is if mid-majors are actually getting fewer bids compared to 15 years ago, or is it just because the old powers of the mid majors are now considered power teams. SEC has 16 teams, BIG has 18, ACC has 18, BIG12 has 16, BIGEast has 11. The only power conference to lose teams over the past 20 years is the Big East. There are 79 teams in those 5 conferences now, but the P6 (Including PAC10) had 73 teams in 2010. So is the net change really only 6 teams that have basically moved into power conferences in the past 15 years? If so, it doesn't seem logical that mid-major conferences would be losing so many at-large bids.
Everything is so messed up and confusing, and I think it is almost by design. No way to compare things over time, no way to truly make evaluations. And the power teams keep taking more.
and on the televised selection show, the big wigs including the Chairman Bubba Cunningham (UNC Athletic Director)
spent an inordinate amount of time detailing the terrible, laborious task they had to perform, trying to figure out how
to place and how to seed 14 teams from the same conference into just four Regionals, and to do so very carefully
that none of them would have to play each other - and have an easy path to the Sweet 16 without the possibility
of knocking each other out...
Here's the clip - scroll to 1:20 to listen to Bubba's preposterous claim that there was no bias in UNC getting in,
and scroll to 3:05 to see his ridiculous defense on how they screwed over other teams just to make sure the SEC Power-5 guys all had favorable seeding and easy paths to the Sweet 16
LISTEN TO THE VIDEO EMBEDDED IN THIS PAGE
Stryker
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Bubba receives a $100k bonus everytime his program makes the tournament. The fact that an extremely obvious conflict of interest like this exists and everyone acts like it is totally fine and non-issue is egregious.
bradleyfan124
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I read where the Governor of West Virginia is taking legal action against the NCAA for West Virginia not making the NCAA
Interesting. I hope it does some good, but I am not holding my breath - West Virginia governor taking legal action against NCAA Selection Committee over snub - On3
The first couple games in the First Four round are Tuesday - https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/scoreboard/_/date/20250318/
Tommy
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Yeah, hope he wins and the NCAA is forced to come up with a system where it's not some fancy voodoo calculation that they tell us is 'proprietary' (what a joke). At the very least, the algorithm used to determine rankings needs to be open so teams have a way to dispute it if (and it is) they determine it's unfair.
bradleyfan124
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Yes Make the metrics equal for everybody no matter what conference you are in. And demand the P5 schools play the mid- majors to give them a chance at making those metrics. Metrics do no good if the teams dont play you for fear of getting beat
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Tommy
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Exactly. For instance, all the nonsensical discussions about 'Q1' wins that we've had on this very forum, without any consideration given for how many OPPORTUNITIES one has at a Q1 win or how often you get a chance at a Q1 win at HOME, or most importantly, HOW a team is deemed a Q1 team at all. A bunch of nonsense is what it all is, all designed to keep the mid-majors diminishing until we're nothing more than the minor league of the PC's. A job that is almost complete now that they've expanded the rosters, completely opened the transfer portal, and eliminated any type of rules on NIL (as if that ever mattered).
It'll never happen, but the NCAA should regulate scheduling to give MMs more Q1 and Q2 opportunities.
Steve Zalutsky
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The NCAA is inept and can't get anything right. Those are not my words. These are in article after article that I read.