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Michigan State is blowing Minnesota out

tornado

tornado

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under 10 minutes to go and Michigan State is up 57-35
I think we are now seeing just how good Bradley is -
I hope Michigan State continues to blow out every opponent and wins the National Championship - proving Bradley is actually the 2nd best team in the nation ;)
 
but if Bradley stayed even with Michigan State for 35 minutes while MN is getting hammered - this suggests
Bradley could well have battled for the upper half of the Big Ten
 
We'd of easily handled Minnesota. Just goes to show how terribly bias the NCAA is. A 10 seed gets blown out by a 2 seed but a 15 seed nearly knocks out a 2 seed.

We'd be in the Sweet 16 right now if the NCAA didn't hate mid majors so much.
 
hey- if the refs don't send Michigan State to the FT line 30 times, we win that game then beat Minnesota
 
tornado said:
but if Bradley stayed even with Michigan State for 35 minutes while MN is getting hammered - this suggests
Bradley could well have battled for the upper half of the Big Ten
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More undeniable proof that the new College Basketball NET System is so fatally flawed. Minnesota defeated Louisville who finished in the upper crust of the ACC and yet Bradley's NET score is so much lower than these 3 Power 6 conference teams. The mid-major NET scores for the entire season are pretty well set once the conference schedule begins. It just isn't fair.
 
tornado said:
but if Bradley stayed even with Michigan State for 35 minutes while MN is getting hammered - this suggests
Bradley could well have battled for the upper half of the Big Ten
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This is very flawed reasoning. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to think that Bradley would compete for a spot in the top half of the B1G, but it’s simply not true. You cannot go based off of such a small sample size (1 game). Illinois finished 11th in the B1G and they actually beat Michigan State. It would have taken one of our better games to beat Illinois.

I am extremely proud of the fight and effort we put up vs one of the nation’s top teams. That’s what makes the tournament so awesome....it’s one and done and in basketball more than any other sport anything can happen in that one game. We played out of our mind in the first half. We didn’t play terrible in the 2nd half either, it just wasn’t quite enough. But to think we would have been a top 6-7 team in the B1G is absurd.

So using this reasoning, you are saying IUPUI (or anyone else that beat us) would also finish in the top half of the B1G. Or think back to last year...UMBC would’ve been a top ACC team. We all know better than that
 
Only your opinion bugrad03. Same attitude a lot of my Illini friends stated back in 1986 when Bradley finished 32-3. Ended the season ranked #13 in the coaches polls and #14 in the AP final polls. Yet they said if Bradley played in the Big 10 they would have finished dead last! Wow!
 
Bradley3342 said:
Only your opinion bugrad03. Same attitude a lot of my Illini friends stated back in 1986 when Bradley finished 32-3. Ended the season ranked #13 in the coaches polls and #14 in the AP final polls. Yet they said if Bradley played in the Big 10 they would have finished dead last! Wow!
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That was only their opinion.
 
back in 2006 when Bradley got an at-large bid and Maryland was relegated to the NIT - their head coach
Gary Williams exploded with multiple attacks claiming Bradley didn't deserve to be in the NCAA and that they
wouldn't have even finished in the top half of the ACC.

And who knows - maybe he was right but....interestingly Bradley won twice in Pontiac Michigan and went to the Sweet Sixteen
and quite appropriately Williams and his Maryland team, despite being given the #1 seed in the NIT and home court advantage
all the way - he got humiliated in the very first game by Manhattan even tho the refs did an incredible job trying to hand the game to Maryland.
They sent Maryland to the FT line almost 40 times and fouled out nearly the entire Manhattan starting lineup.
I think this one experience aged Williams about 10 years

https://umterps.com/news/2006/3/18/207273533.aspx
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https://www.bradleyfans.com/forum/s...-upset-at-the-mvc-gary-williams-still-whining
 
Thanks Tornado! Point made! Most teams and fans in the power conferences think they are above everyone else. Seen it to many times.
 
Michigan State is now starting to pull away and blow out LSU -- still looks like Bradley played them the toughest so far...

on the other channel - North Carolina sure is winning the 'fro styles but Auburn beating them 49-39
 
Michigan State led "wire to wire" and wins 80-63


North Carolina players with BAD body language - look as if they are giving up and launching desperation 3's with 5 minutes still in the game
but they now find themselves down 83-68
...wonder if Gerry Pollard likes Roy Williams
 
yeah -- agree....
but getting back to the Bradley-Michigan State game...
...when Michigan State got to go to the FT line almost 30 times, it prompted me to realize how the refs can indeed alter the outcome of the game
without making any truly blatant calls like happened in Hawaii in 1981-82 that sent Dick Versace off the deep end....

so in my own cynical way as I was watching the USF-DePaul game last night - I thought that likely those who run the CBI
would want DePaul to win so the series will run the full length of 3 games....thus I predicted (to myself) that DePaul would almost certainly
be on the receiving end the benefit of calls, and that's exactly what happened.

- lo-and-behold -- in a very close OVERTIME game, DePaul was whistled for only 15 fouls while USF had 25.
And DePaul shot 27 free throws (21-27) while USF shot 19 (15-19) and USF even got called for a lot of borderline turnover calls (19).

Of course this doesn't prove anything but it sure fit the exact pattern I had fully expected to see so that the series can run the full course...
 
I totally agree than refs have a huge impact on a game. Look at the Drake game in Des Moines too. Not only does blowing the whistle more times in favor of one team over the other lead to more free throws. Think about how often in the game that the momentum for one team can be stopped by a couple whistles. For instance in the comeback in the MVC Champ game when BU went on their run, had a few touch fouls gotten called it would have sapped all of the energy out. There will always be opportunities for teams to prevail in spite of poor officiating, but I think it definitely can effect a game.
 
tornado said:
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so in my own cynical way as I was watching the USF-DePaul game last night - I thought that likely those who run the CBI
would want DePaul to win so the series will run the full length of 3 games....thus I predicted (to myself) that DePaul would almost certainly
be on the receiving end the benefit of calls, and that's exactly what happened.

- lo-and-behold -- in a very close OVERTIME game, DePaul was whistled for only 15 fouls while USF had 25.
And DePaul shot 27 free throws (21-27) while USF shot 19 (15-19) and USF even got called for a lot of borderline turnover calls (19).

Of course this doesn't prove anything but it sure fit the exact pattern I had fully expected to see so that the series can run the full course...
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That is what I expected, since the great majority of CBI series in the past have gone 3 games, and it benefits everyone for it to go 3 games instead of 2. But I am not sure that happened. Did you think so?
I watched the game (I had to record it so I could also watch Walt Lemon and the Bulls, too), But I watched to see if there were any questionable calls, especially down the stretch in a close game where any call could be critical to who wins or loses. And though there were quite a few fouls called overall, most were earlier in the game and not many were called down the stretch or in overtime (except the intentional fouls by USF to stop the clock late in overtime with DePaul leading).
Of the calls late, I cannot say that I saw any that seemed obviously to be slanted toward DePaul. The calls, all seemed to me to be the right calls IMO, and DePaul won the game without help from the officials.
 
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