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Bradleyguy10

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I kind of want a discussion to see people's opinions on Pujols. Whether you think the cardinals should sign him or not, whether you think the cardinals will sign him or not, and if they do how much money would you be okay with?

This was sparked by me looking at some stats today. I know it is only 12% into the season or so but here is a list of Cardinals currently hitting "better" than pujols (20 ab minimum): Tyler Greene, Molina, Theriot, Alan Craig, Rasmus, Freese, Berkman, and Holliday.

We could field an entire team of players that would theoretically hit better than with pujols in the lineup. All would be at their naturally positions except place Greene at SS, Theriot at 2nd, and have Craig play 1st.

Obviously I know that is ridiculous but I have to admit my worries about Albert's abilities. He seems to be struggling to put up his numbers the last 1 1/2 seasons; does he still do it? Yes for the most part, but it just used to seem like he got those stats at clutch times and it came with such ease. Now it seems like he's in a funk every other week. I'm not so sure the cardinals should put up the 30 for 10....
 
I wouldn't wager that any of the players mentioned would end up having a better season than AP. The season isn't even a month old yet, why are you worrying about the best hitter in baseball this early?
 
As much as I would like AP back in StL I am not sure he is worth the cost. For that same amount they might be able to sign YM & AW to long term contracts along w/ 2 or 3 very good positions players.
The most I would be willing to pay is 250M for 8 years but then only if they could get Yadi and AW signed and not give up verygood position players.
If I have to give up good position players and good pitchers to keep ap the I say let him go
 
Chico said:
I wouldn't wager that any of the players mentioned would end up having a better season than AP. The season isn't even a month old yet, why are you worrying about the best hitter in baseball this early?
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I'm not necessarily worried about him. I was just making a point of who is theoretically hitting better than him right now to jive with my point that it seems like Pujols hasn't been very Pujols-like. I don't think the majority of those players will end up with a better batting average, but I worry about him asking for 30 million a year for 10 years. I guess I was just wondering if others were worried about that also...with his age...with how he seems to get into more "slumps" the last 1 1/2 seasons, etc. Should the cardinals even been in the same galaxy of 30 mil for 10?
 
I am not a Cardinals fan, but I have always liked AP. I think that the Cardinals will sign AP, but his signing will affect how the Cardinals will be able to spend money on other positions. From statements that I have read, Pujols wants to be the highest compensated player in baseball. Therefore the margin of error for the Cardinals decreases with the Pujols' signing. Perhaps some of Pujols' "slump"can be attributed to the pending contract?
 
Bradleyguy10 said:
I'm not necessarily worried about him. I was just making a point of who is theoretically hitting better than him right now to jive with my point that it seems like Pujols hasn't been very Pujols-like. I don't think the majority of those players will end up with a better batting average, but I worry about him asking for 30 million a year for 10 years. I guess I was just wondering if others were worried about that also...with his age...with how he seems to get into more "slumps" the last 1 1/2 seasons, etc. Should the cardinals even been in the same galaxy of 30 mil for 10?
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Not just batting average, but HRs, RBIs. If the Cards would take a couple Sox pitchers, I'd be happy with a trade. Would gladly throw in Ozzie.
 
Chico said:
Not just batting average, but HRs, RBIs. If the Cards would take a couple Sox pitchers, I'd be happy with a trade. Would gladly throw in Ozzie.
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You're kind of missing the point again....so we can just stop talking about it since you continue to focus on how he'll hit better than most people. Clearly you aren't understanding that I'm not worried about that...I'm worried about the $$$
 
Bradleyguy10 said:
You're kind of missing the point again....so we can just stop talking about it since you continue to focus on how he'll hit better than most people. Clearly you aren't understanding that I'm not worried about that...I'm worried about the $$$
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If he hits better than most people, then he is worth more than most people. That's my point. Why are you worried about the $$$? I always get a kick out of fans who say "we" or "I" when talking about the team they root for, like they are share holders or owners. A lot of Packer fans are the only ones I know who can say that.
 
Chico said:
If he hits better than most people, then he is worth more than most people. That's my point. Why are you worried about the $$$? I always get a kick out of fans who say "we" or "I" when talking about the team they root for, like they are share holders or owners. A lot of Packer fans are the only ones I know who can say that.
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I enjoy saying "we"

where would these teams be with ZERO fans? So we do matter
 
So what if I'm not a shareholder...I still have a vested interest. I care about the $$$ because I want the cardinals to be competitive. I think you can see that if we invest that much into Pujols the rest of the team would be thin and therefore uncompetitive...that's what I'm worried about. So I guess to be more clear, again, I'm not worried about the money, I'm worried about being competitive; which is an extension of how much money Pujols gets. You knew perfectly well what I meant, so why drag it out?
 
Bradleyguy10 said:
So what if I'm not a shareholder...I still have a vested interest. I care about the $$$ because I want the cardinals to be competitive. I think you can see that if we invest that much into Pujols the rest of the team would be thin and therefore uncompetitive...that's what I'm worried about. So I guess to be more clear, again, I'm not worried about the money, I'm worried about being competitive; which is an extension of how much money Pujols gets. You knew perfectly well what I meant, so why drag it out?
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The first sentence of your thread said you wanted other people's opinion on Pujols. Thought that's what I was doing. Sorry if I misunderstood.
 
Future Walk-On said:
He won't get 30 for 10 ANYWHERE.

I would say 8 for 240 is my max.

He will have to put up 300 30 100 this year
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Have you not seen the amount of money The Yankees, Red Sox, Philly and Mets are willing to spend? Sorry he will get his deal one way or the other.

Chico said:
If he hits better than most people, then he is worth more than most people. That's my point. Why are you worried about the $$$? I always get a kick out of fans who say "we" or "I" when talking about the team they root for, like they are share holders or owners. A lot of Packer fans are the only ones I know who can say that.
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Exactly! If I'm a Cards fan I would not care what it costs because management will find a way to pay for the pieces or learn to draft and build a better farm system.
 
SFP said:
Have you not seen the amount of money The Yankees, Red Sox, Philly and Mets are willing to spend? Sorry he will get his deal one way or the other.
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lol. 3 of those 4 teams won't even be in contention for Pujols.

I don't know anything about the Mets and I don't know what remaining teams could fathom 10 and 30. The Cubs? Angels?
 
The mets are broke I thought...I don't know if they are in contention for pujols. The other 3 definitely are not going for him either. I find it funny that every cub fan I talk baseball to up here has to gloat about how pujols will be a cub next season. Every time I hear that I can't help but think that it would make sense solely because it would continue the long heralded tradition the cubs have of signing players to contracts that overpay and are overly-long. Pujols would fit that description to a T. If the cubs want to pay a guy 30 million that is 38, 39, 40, 41, 42 years old more power to them. That's right Pujols contract would take him to 42 years old..half of the contract would be above the age that most stats drop significantly below career norms.

GET IT DONE CUBS!
 
Bradleyguy10 said:
The mets are broke I thought...I don't know if they are in contention for pujols. The other 3 definitely are not going for him either. I find it funny that every cub fan I talk baseball to up here has to gloat about how pujols will be a cub next season. Every time I hear that I can't help but think that it would make sense solely because it would continue the long heralded tradition the cubs have of signing players to contracts that overpay and are overly-long. Pujols would fit that description to a T. If the cubs want to pay a guy 30 million that is 38, 39, 40, 41, 42 years old more power to them. That's right Pujols contract would take him to 42 years old..half of the contract would be above the age that most stats drop significantly below career norms.

GET IT DONE CUBS!
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The only possibility would have to be like Anaheim in the AL where he can DH....

but still way too long...
 
Bradleyguy10 said:
The mets are broke I thought...I don't know if they are in contention for pujols. The other 3 definitely are not going for him either. I find it funny that every cub fan I talk baseball to up here has to gloat about how pujols will be a cub next season. Every time I hear that I can't help but think that it would make sense solely because it would continue the long heralded tradition the cubs have of signing players to contracts that overpay and are overly-long. Pujols would fit that description to a T. If the cubs want to pay a guy 30 million that is 38, 39, 40, 41, 42 years old more power to them. That's right Pujols contract would take him to 42 years old..half of the contract would be above the age that most stats drop significantly below career norms.

GET IT DONE CUBS!
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Lol. I think that Pujols has 5-6 quality years left in him. That being said, I think that Albert ends up with a 10 year deal with the Cardinals and the Cubs end up with Prince Fielder. --assuming that the Brewers let Fielder go--
 
Beninator said:
Lol. I think that Pujols has 5-6 quality years left in him. That being said, I think that Albert ends up with a 10 year deal with the Cardinals and the Cubs end up with Prince Fielder. --assuming that the Brewers let Fielder go--
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If he does end up with the cardinals I have sincere doubts he will get 10 years. If the cardinals do end up giving him that then the value of the contract must be less than 25 mil per year...cardinals simply cannot afford it and shouldn't pay it. We are on the same page he has 5 years about of quality; I don't think it will be like the Pujols we've seen in years past but it will be solid. Then the other half of the contract will just be a money pit while watching his career wind down. He'll play 2 to 3 extra years after the "he should have retired" point. I just don't see Pujols going to a team that plans on using him as a DH. He's a gold glove first baseman. I also don't see many teams offering him 10 years; he'll be FORTY-TWO YEARS OLD, and that is if he is the actual age he says he is, there has always been concerns with hispanic players and the accuracy of their ages.
 
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